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	<title>Comments on: Part Three: Equity vs. Cash</title>
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		<title>By: JMorrow</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/01/10/part-three-equity-vs-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-6552</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good lesson in alternative forms of payment, Andrew.  Thanks for the post.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also think it&#039;s interesting that so many readers are serving entrepreneurial and startup companies.  Most experienced folks I know avoid them like the plague, unless they have a major backer.  The reason is they can&#039;t pay the bills.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To me, this points to poor market analysis.  When you choose a market, the two biggest questions are: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) are the dying to have my product/service?&lt;br /&gt;
2) can they afford my product/service?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If the answer to either of those questions is no, then you need to choose a different market.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I recently learned this lesson the hard way.  I spent $30,000 building a web site package for a small segment of my market.  Preliminary analysis told me they needed it badly.  Only to find out, 80 percent of them are broke and can&#039;t afford it, even at super cheap prices.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At best, I&#039;ll make a few smart moves and recoup my investment, probably by selling the product to a competitor that happens to have captured the 10% that do pay.  Otherwise, it&#039;ll be an expensive lesson.  Make sure you&#039;re serving people that can pay.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lesson in alternative forms of payment, Andrew.  Thanks for the post.</p>
<p>I also think it&#8217;s interesting that so many readers are serving entrepreneurial and startup companies.  Most experienced folks I know avoid them like the plague, unless they have a major backer.  The reason is they can&#8217;t pay the bills.</p>
<p>To me, this points to poor market analysis.  When you choose a market, the two biggest questions are: </p>
<p>1) are the dying to have my product/service?<br />
2) can they afford my product/service?</p>
<p>If the answer to either of those questions is no, then you need to choose a different market.  </p>
<p>I recently learned this lesson the hard way.  I spent $30,000 building a web site package for a small segment of my market.  Preliminary analysis told me they needed it badly.  Only to find out, 80 percent of them are broke and can&#8217;t afford it, even at super cheap prices.</p>
<p>At best, I&#8217;ll make a few smart moves and recoup my investment, probably by selling the product to a competitor that happens to have captured the 10% that do pay.  Otherwise, it&#8217;ll be an expensive lesson.  Make sure you&#8217;re serving people that can pay.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;well i didnt expect such a detailed response, but it is likely one of the most valuable posts i&#039;ve read here. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;in my situation, i am finishing my degree and seeking to establish relationships with good people.  but reading this post i&#039;m convinced that a relationship with someone, no matter how high they worked at HP, who does not see the value in my work and does not seek to compensate me accordingly is not a relationship i should rationalise.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;in my short time as a designer i&#039;ve had dozens of requests to do work for later pay or some ghostly percentage.  never is anything spelled out, and i realize that even with this latest job, i have been too cowardly to demand my fair rate.  i know others have written about that skill, but i&#039;d love to hear your take (feel free to link to a previous post i&#039;ve missed) on how to establish your value and assert that to the client.  i enjoyed your previous post about discarding clients who are of little value, but how do i establish my worth up front so i can be sure to avoid these situations altogether?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i didnt expect such a detailed response, but it is likely one of the most valuable posts i&#8217;ve read here. </p>
<p>in my situation, i am finishing my degree and seeking to establish relationships with good people.  but reading this post i&#8217;m convinced that a relationship with someone, no matter how high they worked at HP, who does not see the value in my work and does not seek to compensate me accordingly is not a relationship i should rationalise.  </p>
<p>in my short time as a designer i&#8217;ve had dozens of requests to do work for later pay or some ghostly percentage.  never is anything spelled out, and i realize that even with this latest job, i have been too cowardly to demand my fair rate.  i know others have written about that skill, but i&#8217;d love to hear your take (feel free to link to a previous post i&#8217;ve missed) on how to establish your value and assert that to the client.  i enjoyed your previous post about discarding clients who are of little value, but how do i establish my worth up front so i can be sure to avoid these situations altogether?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: hurtdidit</title>
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		<dc:creator>hurtdidit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great blog, Andrew.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve gone down this road many times before, and in the past had even accepted commission-based work for startups.  This brought many dangers, I was later to find out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For starters, many startups fail--that is a given.  Be it lack of capital or simple lack of business acumen, the venture fails and thusly we are caught with our pants down, having essentially donated our time and talent, for nothing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For those few ventures that DO succeed, it may take years to recoup the time invested.  It could be argued that the &quot;partnership&quot; was a long-term investment, but I couldn&#039;t help but think about how much billable work I could have earned during that time--a time early on when paying clients was desperately needed!  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A bird in the pocket is worth two in the brush, isn&#039;t that how the saying goes?  I&#039;m not sure why you would want birds in your pocket, but I think you can draw a parallel.  ;)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog, Andrew.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gone down this road many times before, and in the past had even accepted commission-based work for startups.  This brought many dangers, I was later to find out.</p>
<p>For starters, many startups fail&#8211;that is a given.  Be it lack of capital or simple lack of business acumen, the venture fails and thusly we are caught with our pants down, having essentially donated our time and talent, for nothing.</p>
<p>For those few ventures that DO succeed, it may take years to recoup the time invested.  It could be argued that the &#8220;partnership&#8221; was a long-term investment, but I couldn&#8217;t help but think about how much billable work I could have earned during that time&#8211;a time early on when paying clients was desperately needed!  </p>
<p>A bird in the pocket is worth two in the brush, isn&#8217;t that how the saying goes?  I&#8217;m not sure why you would want birds in your pocket, but I think you can draw a parallel.  ;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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