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		<title>By: Zooney</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/01/09/powerful-open-source-web-editor-ide/comment-page-1/#comment-866132</link>
		<dc:creator>Zooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NVU isn&#039;t nearly where it needs to be.  The HTML editing is fine, but file management and stylesheet creation are nightmarish.

For file management, NVU needs some way of allowing users to create a local file folder without defining some sort of &quot;publishing directory&quot;.  I found that you could define your publishing directory as a local folder, but, that&#039;s just a mess.  I also couldn&#039;t seem to consistently get NVU to create document relative links.

CSS creation in NVU isn&#039;t where it needs to be either.  It&#039;s silly to double click on your CSS file in the site manager and have it come up with a window that says &quot;This is not an HTML document&quot; or something similar... ...of course it isn&#039;t.  At the very least you should be able to open a stylesheet in a text editor or something.

The CSS editor makes it impossible to really even see how you&#039;re supposed to create a stylesheet and manage it.

When it comes down to it, if NVU proclaims that its made with HTML/CSS novices in mind, it fails completely.  Not only do you need relatively sound HTML/CSS knowledge to use this thing, you also need the patience to survive a confusing user interface.

NVU needs far more work to be a valuable tool for either novices or advanced users. Given the option, even for free it&#039;s still far less frustrating to use a text editor for code, your OS for file management, and a web browser for preview... ...it reminds me why I gave up on Mozilla composer in the late &#039;90s and just hunkered down to learn how to write code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NVU isn&#8217;t nearly where it needs to be.  The HTML editing is fine, but file management and stylesheet creation are nightmarish.</p>
<p>For file management, NVU needs some way of allowing users to create a local file folder without defining some sort of &#8220;publishing directory&#8221;.  I found that you could define your publishing directory as a local folder, but, that&#8217;s just a mess.  I also couldn&#8217;t seem to consistently get NVU to create document relative links.</p>
<p>CSS creation in NVU isn&#8217;t where it needs to be either.  It&#8217;s silly to double click on your CSS file in the site manager and have it come up with a window that says &#8220;This is not an HTML document&#8221; or something similar&#8230; &#8230;of course it isn&#8217;t.  At the very least you should be able to open a stylesheet in a text editor or something.</p>
<p>The CSS editor makes it impossible to really even see how you&#8217;re supposed to create a stylesheet and manage it.</p>
<p>When it comes down to it, if NVU proclaims that its made with HTML/CSS novices in mind, it fails completely.  Not only do you need relatively sound HTML/CSS knowledge to use this thing, you also need the patience to survive a confusing user interface.</p>
<p>NVU needs far more work to be a valuable tool for either novices or advanced users. Given the option, even for free it&#8217;s still far less frustrating to use a text editor for code, your OS for file management, and a web browser for preview&#8230; &#8230;it reminds me why I gave up on Mozilla composer in the late &#8217;90s and just hunkered down to learn how to write code.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aran ahsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aran ahsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ur site is not user friendly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ur site is not user friendly</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: pippo</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/01/09/powerful-open-source-web-editor-ide/comment-page-1/#comment-5009</link>
		<dc:creator>pippo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s really cool.&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m using Debian/sid, I will check it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks,&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s really cool.<br />
I&#8217;m using Debian/sid, I will check it.</p>
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Thanks,</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: hillsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hillsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They really ought to use Macromedia&#039;s templating system if possible, it&#039;s practically a standard. Even Frontpage uses it.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They really ought to use Macromedia&#8217;s templating system if possible, it&#8217;s practically a standard. Even Frontpage uses it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: D.J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looks promising, has some &quot;bugs&quot; tho.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks promising, has some &#8220;bugs&#8221; tho.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice start but this shouldn&#039;t even be mentioned in the same sentence as Dreamweaver, even Frontpage. I created a small 8 page site with this and was near screaming before I was done. With no templates and a very clunky workflow, it&#039;s adequate for occasional updating not serious production. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice start but this shouldn&#8217;t even be mentioned in the same sentence as Dreamweaver, even Frontpage. I created a small 8 page site with this and was near screaming before I was done. With no templates and a very clunky workflow, it&#8217;s adequate for occasional updating not serious production. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: goatboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>goatboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You can load a template when you create a new document. Unfortunately, Nvu will reformat the source code--even if you tell it not to (in Tools &gt; Preferences).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The CSS and JavaScript editors are not very intuitive. So counter-intuitive, in fact, that I could not figure out the CSS at all. I could create an internal stylesheet but then could not figure out how to add elements.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There should be much better syntax coloring (like ViM&#039;s would be nice), code folding, line numbering (there is none that I could figure out how to turn on). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, when you&#039;re editing code, the tabs disappear. It is also impossible to use any of the element insertion tools that are available in Normal or Tag views. Really, what it should have is code-completion, like is available in TopStyle or Dreamweaver.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Site management is also somewhat immature. At a minimum, as was mentioned in the blog above, the thing should allow for sftp. Secured webdav would also be good.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There should also be a way, when using the WYSIWYG Normal view, to designate the final url of an image when dropping it into place. For example, rather than just defaulting to the path on the local machine, when someone drags in an image, it should ask the user the final path of the document (relative to the final document root, for example).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It would also be nice to be able to configure multiple browsers to display the pages--display in IE, Firefox, Opera, etc. All configurable by the user.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But really, overall, the biggest drawback to the program as it stands now is that its source editing capabilities and flexibility is really a hindrance. I should be able to set line widths, tab stops, etc. And there should be intelligent indenting, simple code folding, good highlighting.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lots of potential here, esp. the fact of it being x-platform. It must go some distance, however, before it can meet its claim to become a &quot;complete web authoring system.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can load a template when you create a new document. Unfortunately, Nvu will reformat the source code&#8211;even if you tell it not to (in Tools > Preferences).</p>
<p>The CSS and JavaScript editors are not very intuitive. So counter-intuitive, in fact, that I could not figure out the CSS at all. I could create an internal stylesheet but then could not figure out how to add elements.</p>
<p>There should be much better syntax coloring (like ViM&#8217;s would be nice), code folding, line numbering (there is none that I could figure out how to turn on). </p>
<p>Also, when you&#8217;re editing code, the tabs disappear. It is also impossible to use any of the element insertion tools that are available in Normal or Tag views. Really, what it should have is code-completion, like is available in TopStyle or Dreamweaver.</p>
<p>Site management is also somewhat immature. At a minimum, as was mentioned in the blog above, the thing should allow for sftp. Secured webdav would also be good.</p>
<p>There should also be a way, when using the WYSIWYG Normal view, to designate the final url of an image when dropping it into place. For example, rather than just defaulting to the path on the local machine, when someone drags in an image, it should ask the user the final path of the document (relative to the final document root, for example).</p>
<p>It would also be nice to be able to configure multiple browsers to display the pages&#8211;display in IE, Firefox, Opera, etc. All configurable by the user.</p>
<p>But really, overall, the biggest drawback to the program as it stands now is that its source editing capabilities and flexibility is really a hindrance. I should be able to set line widths, tab stops, etc. And there should be intelligent indenting, simple code folding, good highlighting.</p>
<p>Lots of potential here, esp. the fact of it being x-platform. It must go some distance, however, before it can meet its claim to become a &#8220;complete web authoring system.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sadisynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>sadisynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For Linux, Ladies and Gentlemen, let us not overlook Quanta Plus as perhaps the very best web editor around. Rated #2 in listing of favored apps I think, in open source circles, followed closely behind by Kommander. Easily found at SourceForge or KDE . Google it for grins, interesting history and developement. Doesn&#039;t fearture the above mentioned drawbacks of Nvu. That said, I&#039;ll give Nvu a whirl on my windows98 machine, just for kicks.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Linux, Ladies and Gentlemen, let us not overlook Quanta Plus as perhaps the very best web editor around. Rated #2 in listing of favored apps I think, in open source circles, followed closely behind by Kommander. Easily found at SourceForge or KDE . Google it for grins, interesting history and developement. Doesn&#8217;t fearture the above mentioned drawbacks of Nvu. That said, I&#8217;ll give Nvu a whirl on my windows98 machine, just for kicks.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eric Laffoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Laffoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;NVU perhaps has better promotion and certainly as a project manager I&#039;m biased. Quanta Plus won the 2003 LinuxQuestions.org user choice award for web development IDEs and was the first Linux web development tool to release a visual development environment. I&#039;ll grant that NVU may have some advantages currently if all you want to do is draw a page in HTML and you&#039;re not overly concerned about W3C compliance or coding. However if you&#039;re developing with PHP I would say bring on the Dreamweaver faithful for the challenge. Quanta+ has the things you&#039;re looking for such as auto completion, SFTP and ssh/scp (fish) support, CSS editing, import of XML DTDs, real time structural validation, internal scripting and dialog building with Kommander&#039;s visual interface and a lot more like an integrated full feature PHP debugger. It does not do the proprietary work arounds Dreamweaver does with templates, however with Event Actions that can be emulated almost entirely. More is being done for the upcoming 3.4 release in this and other areas like object syntax completion and enhanced visual page editing. There are too many features to list here, but I would suggest if you&#039;re looking for something to replace Dreamweaver on Linux you might find what many former Dreamweaver users on our mailing list have. They don&#039;t miss it any more and wouldn&#039;t go back. Food for thought... Try a tool that is focusing on the future and not the past.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NVU perhaps has better promotion and certainly as a project manager I&#8217;m biased. Quanta Plus won the 2003 LinuxQuestions.org user choice award for web development IDEs and was the first Linux web development tool to release a visual development environment. I&#8217;ll grant that NVU may have some advantages currently if all you want to do is draw a page in HTML and you&#8217;re not overly concerned about W3C compliance or coding. However if you&#8217;re developing with PHP I would say bring on the Dreamweaver faithful for the challenge. Quanta+ has the things you&#8217;re looking for such as auto completion, SFTP and ssh/scp (fish) support, CSS editing, import of XML DTDs, real time structural validation, internal scripting and dialog building with Kommander&#8217;s visual interface and a lot more like an integrated full feature PHP debugger. It does not do the proprietary work arounds Dreamweaver does with templates, however with Event Actions that can be emulated almost entirely. More is being done for the upcoming 3.4 release in this and other areas like object syntax completion and enhanced visual page editing. There are too many features to list here, but I would suggest if you&#8217;re looking for something to replace Dreamweaver on Linux you might find what many former Dreamweaver users on our mailing list have. They don&#8217;t miss it any more and wouldn&#8217;t go back. Food for thought&#8230; Try a tool that is focusing on the future and not the past.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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