Comments on: Horde: first signs of a COM for PHP http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/09/15/horde-first-signs-of-a-com-for-php/ News, opinion, and fresh thinking for web developers and designers. The official podcast of sitepoint.com. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:09:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: pavan_patil http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/09/15/horde-first-signs-of-a-com-for-php/comment-page-1/#comment-836736 pavan_patil Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:20:53 +0000 1203914362#comment-836736 I can see, the problem is with the category_parents data - the line in question is referring to $cids[$parID], and the data int he mySQL table points to an index that doesn't exist in the cids array. The problem is generated from the import function within /horde/lib/Category.php If there is any more info you all need to help me troubleshoot, just ask and I'll be glad to provide it. Oh, one other thing - the horde.log doesn't show anything relevant to the problem, and I pass all the tests on "test.php", except for one error to do with File.php (within pear) that I've been told on IRC to ignore. Anywaits, file.php can't have anything to do with categories now, can it? ;) <a href="http://www.reviewica.com/software/registry-cleaners/registry-easy/" rel="nofollow"> Registry Easy</a> I can see, the problem is with the category_parents data – the
line in question is referring to $cids[$parID], and the data int he mySQL
table points to an index that doesn’t exist in the cids array.

The problem is generated from the import function within
/horde/lib/Category.php

If there is any more info you all need to help me troubleshoot, just ask and
I’ll be glad to provide it.

Oh, one other thing – the horde.log doesn’t show anything relevant to the
problem, and I pass all the tests on “test.php”, except for one error to do
with File.php (within pear) that I’ve been told on IRC to ignore. Anywaits,
file.php can’t have anything to do with categories now, can it? ;)

Registry Easy

]]> By: hurricane_sh http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/09/15/horde-first-signs-of-a-com-for-php/comment-page-1/#comment-1063 hurricane_sh Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 1203914362#comment-1063 <p>There is a basic difference, COM is binary code. PHP may be not suitable for complicated system, although it's object-oriented, as a pure script language, it doesn't compile the source. Java is the right way to go.</p> There is a basic difference, COM is binary code. PHP may be not suitable for complicated system, although it’s object-oriented, as a pure script language, it doesn’t compile the source. Java is the right way to go.

]]> By: andre http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/09/15/horde-first-signs-of-a-com-for-php/comment-page-1/#comment-1064 andre Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 1203914362#comment-1064 <p>so what if PHP does not compile the source. java servlets aren't superior in all web applications. there are stuff where java is better and there are stuff where php is better or simpler.</p> <p>besides there are freeware and commercial add-ons to PHP to somewhat mitigate what you cited and further increase performance.</p> so what if PHP does not compile the source. java servlets aren’t superior in all web applications. there are stuff where java is better and there are stuff where php is better or simpler.

besides there are freeware and commercial add-ons to PHP to somewhat mitigate what you cited and further increase performance.

]]> By: HarryF http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/09/15/horde-first-signs-of-a-com-for-php/comment-page-1/#comment-1065 HarryF Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 1203914362#comment-1065 <p><blockquote><p><br /> PHP may be not suitable for complicated system, although it's object-oriented, as a pure script language, it doesn't compile the source.<br /> </p></blockquote></p> <p>Think the active word the is "may" and right now it's premature optimization.</p> <p>This is just the first step, allowing integration of Horde's forum with other apps. Think long before performance becomes a serious concern with this approach we'll probably see <a href="http://www.edwardbear.org/pap.pdf">PHP on Parrot</a> or some form of <a href="http://psyco.sourceforge.net/introduction.html">specializing compiler</a>.</p> <p><blockquote><p><br /> Java is the right way to go.<br /> </p></blockquote></p> <p>The "right way" is relative.</p>

PHP may be not suitable for complicated system, although it’s object-oriented, as a pure script language, it doesn’t compile the source.

Think the active word the is “may” and right now it’s premature optimization.

This is just the first step, allowing integration of Horde’s forum with other apps. Think long before performance becomes a serious concern with this approach we’ll probably see PHP on Parrot or some form of specializing compiler.

Java is the right way to go.

The “right way” is relative.

]]> By: ausurt http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/09/15/horde-first-signs-of-a-com-for-php/comment-page-1/#comment-1066 ausurt Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 1203914362#comment-1066 <p>Essentially, what this boils down to is having a generic library of applications that can be used in different situations?</p> <p>Although not completely free of its designers constraints, it can be modified in a day or two to suit your needs.</p> <p>Working on a framework myself and then moving onto the CMS, im trying to implement a bunch of grouped classes that meet a specific need, such as templating, caching, logging, DB abstraction, that way I can use whichever mix, whenever. What we really need is a standard library API specification so I can plug in any caching mechanisam, any logging mechanism, without worrying about modifying too much of the code. With our framework/CMS we will supply a few guidelines as to specify what parts should be called what.</p> <p>As for the CMS it is just a bunch of classes dumped on top that allow sites to have content.</p> Essentially, what this boils down to is having a generic library of applications that can be used in different situations?

Although not completely free of its designers constraints, it can be modified in a day or two to suit your needs.

Working on a framework myself and then moving onto the CMS, im trying to implement a bunch of grouped classes that meet a specific need, such as templating, caching, logging, DB abstraction, that way I can use whichever mix, whenever. What we really need is a standard library API specification so I can plug in any caching mechanisam, any logging mechanism, without worrying about modifying too much of the code. With our framework/CMS we will supply a few guidelines as to specify what parts should be called what.

As for the CMS it is just a bunch of classes dumped on top that allow sites to have content.

]]> By: hurricane_sh http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/09/15/horde-first-signs-of-a-com-for-php/comment-page-1/#comment-1067 hurricane_sh Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 1203914362#comment-1067 <p>Don't get me wrong, guys, I didn't meant to say Java is the best solution for everything. PHP is simpler and faster, best choice for those websites without complicated business logic, but it's <b>born for page representation</b>, if you want to make a two-tier PHP system - separate the logic and UI, or make some ready to use big modules, not problem, you can do that, but you just misused it.<br /> Language is just a tool, use them in the right place with the right way.</p> Don’t get me wrong, guys, I didn’t meant to say Java is the best solution for everything. PHP is simpler and faster, best choice for those websites without complicated business logic, but it’s born for page representation, if you want to make a two-tier PHP system – separate the logic and UI, or make some ready to use big modules, not problem, you can do that, but you just misused it.
Language is just a tool, use them in the right place with the right way.

]]> By: HarryF http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/09/15/horde-first-signs-of-a-com-for-php/comment-page-1/#comment-1068 HarryF Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 1203914362#comment-1068 <p><blockquote><p><br /> born for page representation<br /> </p></blockquote></p> <p>That is a fair point. It just never stops there ;) Gonna keep it short as I feel a long discussion brewing...</p>

born for page representation

That is a fair point. It just never stops there ;) Gonna keep it short as I feel a long discussion brewing…

]]> By: ausurt http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/09/15/horde-first-signs-of-a-com-for-php/comment-page-1/#comment-1069 ausurt Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 1203914362#comment-1069 <p>A bit off topic here, but has anyone heard about the PHP5 Java extension, is it true Sun are lending a hand, or has it just been abandoned?</p> <p>On topic. I think PHP is a great language, especially version 5, but it is missing a few features that would make it a better one.</p> A bit off topic here, but has anyone heard about the PHP5 Java extension, is it true Sun are lending a hand, or has it just been abandoned?

On topic. I think PHP is a great language, especially version 5, but it is missing a few features that would make it a better one.

]]> By: Hugh http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/09/15/horde-first-signs-of-a-com-for-php/comment-page-1/#comment-1070 Hugh Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 1203914362#comment-1070 <p>Why not use phpBB2 or any other great Forum application already in place ??<br /> Check you what the PAS (Application Server for PHP) guys did: http://sqlfusion.org/ with a minimal system you can merge and integrate in your application any existing PHP application.<br /> All that smoothly with a nice Package management application.</p> Why not use phpBB2 or any other great Forum application already in place ??
Check you what the PAS (Application Server for PHP) guys did: http://sqlfusion.org/ with a minimal system you can merge and integrate in your application any existing PHP application.
All that smoothly with a nice Package management application.

]]> By: HarryF http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/09/15/horde-first-signs-of-a-com-for-php/comment-page-1/#comment-1071 HarryF Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 1203914362#comment-1071 <p><blockquote><p><br /> A bit off topic here, but has anyone heard about the PHP5 Java extension, is it true Sun are lending a hand, or has it just been abandoned?<br /> </p></blockquote></p> <p><i>Haven't</i> heard that Sun is actually working on the PHP / Java extension (and doubt they will). There is <a href="http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=223">JSR 223</a> but my guess would be SOAP will be the glue, hence this: http://www.php.net/soap</p> <p><blockquote><p><br /> Why not use phpBB2 or any other great Forum application already in place ??<br /> </p></blockquote></p> <p>I've looked at many and the problem is always they implement the "whole stack" - sessions, user auth, templating etc - means alot of modification. Will check out PAS though - looks interesting.</p>

A bit off topic here, but has anyone heard about the PHP5 Java extension, is it true Sun are lending a hand, or has it just been abandoned?

Haven’t heard that Sun is actually working on the PHP / Java extension (and doubt they will). There is JSR 223 but my guess would be SOAP will be the glue, hence this: http://www.php.net/soap

Why not use phpBB2 or any other great Forum application already in place ??

I’ve looked at many and the problem is always they implement the “whole stack” – sessions, user auth, templating etc – means alot of modification. Will check out PAS though – looks interesting.

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