Comments on: The J2EE guy still doesn’t get PHP http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/07/01/the-j2ee-guy-still-doesnt-get-php/ Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:00:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: XXX http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/07/01/the-j2ee-guy-still-doesnt-get-php/#comment-409808 XXX Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:46:31 +0000 #comment-409808 Java, PHP or others... aren't important. The quality of code is more important. Java, PHP or others… aren’t important. The quality of code is more important.

]]> By: jbaou http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/07/01/the-j2ee-guy-still-doesnt-get-php/#comment-162017 jbaou Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:22:25 +0000 #comment-162017 As a computer science graduate I find it ridiculous trying to make a point about debugging output (file open example). Not to mention that the java debugging info does NOT reveal the internal directory structure ... I have to admit though, that I have used J2EE in both my Bachelors and Masters projects just because I knew that even my tutors wouldnt stay up endless nights to find bugs in my code. As a computer science graduate I find it ridiculous trying to make a point about debugging output (file open example). Not to mention that the java debugging info does NOT reveal the internal directory structure …

I have to admit though, that I have used J2EE in both my Bachelors and Masters projects just because I knew that even my tutors wouldnt stay up endless nights to find bugs in my code.

]]> By: alenmilk http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/07/01/the-j2ee-guy-still-doesnt-get-php/#comment-101304 alenmilk Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:41:35 +0000 #comment-101304 George also had a speech why PHP sucks. Hehe. I think that PHP sucks in many ways. And that J2EE is well thought out and more complete framework. But with PHP 5 things are getting better for PHP. PDO is getting there. And yes, it is so much easier to make something that scales better in PHP than in java. And it takes also no time in comparison to do it. Is it maintainable? Well, it is scalable. It can be maintainable but you must put some effort into it. Without any frameworks and methologies it is almoust too easy to write code that is not worth saving. So if you use one week to produce something, and come back to look at it a year later you just throw it away. But who is to blame? I would say this: big frameworks == bad scaling light or no frameworks == nice scaling Hmm. And reverse that for maintainability. So i think people are arguing over that java has more frameworks and abstractions and takes a lot of time to learn. This is pitted agianst the fact that PHP doesnt have a million super advanced frameworks and has just simple libraries that make you develop fast and scalable solutions. So it is the Java way against the PHP way. In performance and scalability the PHP way wins I think. Does PHP still suck? Yes, in some ways it does. Do the libraries lack maturity. Yes, some. But it is getting better. PHP is getting there for the medium sized projects. Can you do big project in PHP. Yes, but without strict discipline and good architecture it can become hell. Is PHP better than java, yes. Is java better than PHP, yes. Is this bickering pointless? yes George also had a speech why PHP sucks. Hehe. I think that PHP sucks in many ways. And that J2EE is well thought out and more complete framework. But with PHP 5 things are getting better for PHP. PDO is getting there. And yes, it is so much easier to make something that scales better in PHP than in java. And it takes also no time in comparison to do it. Is it maintainable? Well, it is scalable. It can be maintainable but you must put some effort into it. Without any frameworks and methologies it is almoust too easy to write code that is not worth saving. So if you use one week to produce something, and come back to look at it a year later you just throw it away. But who is to blame? I would say this: big frameworks == bad scaling
light or no frameworks == nice scaling
Hmm. And reverse that for maintainability. So i think people are arguing over that java has more frameworks and abstractions and takes a lot of time to learn. This is pitted agianst the fact that PHP doesnt have a million super advanced frameworks and has just simple libraries that make you develop fast and scalable solutions. So it is the Java way against the PHP way. In performance and scalability the PHP way wins I think. Does PHP still suck? Yes, in some ways it does. Do the libraries lack maturity. Yes, some. But it is getting better. PHP is getting there for the medium sized projects. Can you do big project in PHP. Yes, but without strict discipline and good architecture it can become hell. Is PHP better than java, yes. Is java better than PHP, yes. Is this bickering pointless? yes

]]> By: akrabat http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/07/01/the-j2ee-guy-still-doesnt-get-php/#comment-51860 akrabat Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:23:13 +0000 #comment-51860 George's post is now at http://www.schlossnagle.org/~george/blog/index.php?/archives/29-Why-PHP-Scales-A-Cranky,-Snarky-Answer.html George’s post is now at http://www.schlossnagle.org/~george/blog/index.php?/archives/29-Why-PHP-Scales-A-Cranky,-Snarky-Answer.html

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/07/01/the-j2ee-guy-still-doesnt-get-php/#comment-47293 Anonymous Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:14:32 +0000 #comment-47293 The J2EE Guy Still Doesn’t Get PHP The J2EE Guy Still Doesn’t Get PHP

]]> By: kbglob - tecnologia para geeks, no para tu mamá » PHP vs J2EE, mucha gente enojada http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/07/01/the-j2ee-guy-still-doesnt-get-php/#comment-45060 kbglob - tecnologia para geeks, no para tu mamá » PHP vs J2EE, mucha gente enojada Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:55:00 +0000 #comment-45060 [...] En sitepoint, que, tengo que advertirles, tienen una inclinación hacia PHP muy fuerte, publicaron un artículo sobre una discusión muy grande que se armó alrededor de que Friendster migró de J2EE hacia PHP para poder soportar el crecimiento. No les voy a transcribir todo el artículo porque voy a aburrir al 95% de ustedes, pero sí quiero resaltar un par de puntos: [...] […] En sitepoint, que, tengo que advertirles, tienen una inclinación hacia PHP muy fuerte, publicaron un artículo sobre una discusión muy grande que se armó alrededor de que Friendster migró de J2EE hacia PHP para poder soportar el crecimiento. No les voy a transcribir todo el artículo porque voy a aburrir al 95% de ustedes, pero sí quiero resaltar un par de puntos: […]

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