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		<title>By: Gary Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&gt; So why isn't PostgreSQL the big hit MySQL is? Perhaps the #1 reason is PostgreSQL &gt;has never made it easy for Windows users.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We tried it on solaris and abandoned it because it had a tendency to corrupt files that we did not find in MySQL. That was certainly the reason we didn't use it in the long run.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> So why isn&#8217;t PostgreSQL the big hit MySQL is? Perhaps the #1 reason is PostgreSQL >has never made it easy for Windows users.</p>
<p>We tried it on solaris and abandoned it because it had a tendency to corrupt files that we did not find in MySQL. That was certainly the reason we didn&#8217;t use it in the long run.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: KenLars99</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/05/26/cross-platform-open-source-more-successful/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>KenLars99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Swing only isolates you further from the platform if you use one of the cross-platform look and feels.  The other look and feels, like Mac or XP are architecturally similar to SWT; there are native widgets under there, at least for some of the widgets.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;SWT is built on top of AWT, and AWT has the same architecture as SWT, except that AWT was done poorly and SWT was done well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I like your post, I use and enjoy many cross-platform products, including Eclipse, Firefox, Thunderbird, MySQL, and OpenOffice to some extent...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swing only isolates you further from the platform if you use one of the cross-platform look and feels.  The other look and feels, like Mac or XP are architecturally similar to SWT; there are native widgets under there, at least for some of the widgets.</p>
<p>SWT is built on top of AWT, and AWT has the same architecture as SWT, except that AWT was done poorly and SWT was done well.</p>
<p>But I like your post, I use and enjoy many cross-platform products, including Eclipse, Firefox, Thunderbird, MySQL, and OpenOffice to some extent&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: HarryF</title>
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		<dc:creator>HarryF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
We tried it on solaris and abandoned it because it had a tendency to corrupt files that we did not find in MySQL. That was certainly the reason we didn't use it in the long run.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now I can point out my 'get out of jail clause' ;) : "PostgreSQL is much more mature, &lt;b&gt;in terms of it's functionality&lt;/b&gt;". Was carefully trying to avoid mentioning stability. I'd guess that MySQL is the more stable, simply by being exposed to so many more users and it also seems to be the direction MySQL AB have chosen - put performance and stability first and worry about the reset later.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Swing only isolates you further from the platform if you use one of the cross-platform look and feels. The other look and feels, like Mac or XP are architecturally similar to SWT; there are native widgets under there, at least for some of the widgets.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;SWT is built on top of AWT, and AWT has the same architecture as SWT, except that AWT was done poorly and SWT was done well.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for point that out. My lack of knowledge to blame.&lt;/p&gt;

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We tried it on solaris and abandoned it because it had a tendency to corrupt files that we did not find in MySQL. That was certainly the reason we didn&#8217;t use it in the long run.
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</p><p>Now I can point out my &#8216;get out of jail clause&#8217; ;) : &#8220;PostgreSQL is much more mature, <b>in terms of it&#8217;s functionality</b>&#8220;. Was carefully trying to avoid mentioning stability. I&#8217;d guess that MySQL is the more stable, simply by being exposed to so many more users and it also seems to be the direction MySQL AB have chosen - put performance and stability first and worry about the reset later.</p>
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Swing only isolates you further from the platform if you use one of the cross-platform look and feels. The other look and feels, like Mac or XP are architecturally similar to SWT; there are native widgets under there, at least for some of the widgets.</p>
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<p>SWT is built on top of AWT, and AWT has the same architecture as SWT, except that AWT was done poorly and SWT was done well.
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</p><p>Thanks for point that out. My lack of knowledge to blame.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/05/26/cross-platform-open-source-more-successful/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&gt; Now I can point out my 'get out of jail clause' ;) : "PostgreSQL is much more mature, in terms of it's functionality". Was carefully trying to avoid mentioning stability. I'd guess that MySQL is the more stable, simply by being exposed to so many more users and it also seems to be the direction MySQL AB have chosen - put performance and stability first and worry about the reset later.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;*Cringe* I just couldn't keep to myself.  Your assertion is in error.  There are many many issues with MySQL stability and integrity, a fair list to be found here: http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html  Multi-platform support and more prominantly the chicken and egg effect are legitimate reasons for PostgreSQL not to be popular but data integrity is not on that list.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Now I can point out my &#8216;get out of jail clause&#8217; ;) : &#8220;PostgreSQL is much more mature, in terms of it&#8217;s functionality&#8221;. Was carefully trying to avoid mentioning stability. I&#8217;d guess that MySQL is the more stable, simply by being exposed to so many more users and it also seems to be the direction MySQL AB have chosen - put performance and stability first and worry about the reset later.</p>
<p>*Cringe* I just couldn&#8217;t keep to myself.  Your assertion is in error.  There are many many issues with MySQL stability and integrity, a fair list to be found here: <a href="http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html" rel="nofollow">http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html</a>  Multi-platform support and more prominantly the chicken and egg effect are legitimate reasons for PostgreSQL not to be popular but data integrity is not on that list.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David Fetter</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/05/26/cross-platform-open-source-more-successful/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>David Fetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;HarryF forgot to mention that he is an employee of MySQL AB.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: Daniel Carrera</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/05/26/cross-platform-open-source-more-successful/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Carrera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yup! I am a member of the OpenOffice.org team, and being cross-platform is a huge factor for our uses.  Not only are about half of our users Windows users, but the ones that are thinking of migrating to Linux often start by figuring out by using OOo under Windows first, and then changing the OS.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
OpenOffice.org definitely has the largest user-base among open source office suites (about 20-30 million users).  I have heard (can't confirm) that it has already surpassed Corel.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers,&lt;br /&gt;
Daniel.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup! I am a member of the OpenOffice.org team, and being cross-platform is a huge factor for our uses.  Not only are about half of our users Windows users, but the ones that are thinking of migrating to Linux often start by figuring out by using OOo under Windows first, and then changing the OS.</p>
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OpenOffice.org definitely has the largest user-base among open source office suites (about 20-30 million users).  I have heard (can&#8217;t confirm) that it has already surpassed Corel.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Daniel.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: HarryF</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/05/26/cross-platform-open-source-more-successful/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>HarryF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
There are many many issues with MySQL stability and integrity, a fair list to be found here: &lt;a href="http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html"&gt;http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html&lt;/a&gt; Multi-platform support and more prominantly the chicken and egg effect are legitimate reasons for PostgreSQL not to be popular but data integrity is not on that list.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Fair enough. Again I'm not in position to provide anything more than guesses. From a distant but logical point of view, you'd think MySQL &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; have a good record for stability given the exposure it's getting. But you're right - will be more careful with guesses in future.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
HarryF forgot to mention that he is an employee of MySQL AB.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;;) Actually would love to see PostgreSQL get bigger. Personally, when given the option, I ask for it over MySQL - but I don't get the option very often. At work we use Oracle (mainly) and were forced to use MySQL for web related activities. Amongst the developers we're fairly sure we could cut out &lt;i&gt;Oracle&lt;/i&gt; with PostgreSQL, and save a ton of $$$ in licenses - course that doesn't cut it with management for the usual reasons (in particular because we'd need to spend alot to save alot).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
OpenOffice.org definitely has the largest user-base among open source office suites (about 20-30 million users). I have heard (can't confirm) that it has already surpassed Corel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wow - had no idea it was getting that big. Much as stats need be regarded with a pinch of salt, would be great if more Open Source projects published those kind of figures.&lt;/p&gt;

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There are many many issues with MySQL stability and integrity, a fair list to be found here: <a href="http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html">http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html</a> Multi-platform support and more prominantly the chicken and egg effect are legitimate reasons for PostgreSQL not to be popular but data integrity is not on that list.
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</p><p>Fair enough. Again I&#8217;m not in position to provide anything more than guesses. From a distant but logical point of view, you&#8217;d think MySQL <i>should</i> have a good record for stability given the exposure it&#8217;s getting. But you&#8217;re right - will be more careful with guesses in future.</p>
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HarryF forgot to mention that he is an employee of MySQL AB.
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</p><p>;) Actually would love to see PostgreSQL get bigger. Personally, when given the option, I ask for it over MySQL - but I don&#8217;t get the option very often. At work we use Oracle (mainly) and were forced to use MySQL for web related activities. Amongst the developers we&#8217;re fairly sure we could cut out <i>Oracle</i> with PostgreSQL, and save a ton of $$$ in licenses - course that doesn&#8217;t cut it with management for the usual reasons (in particular because we&#8217;d need to spend alot to save alot).</p>
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OpenOffice.org definitely has the largest user-base among open source office suites (about 20-30 million users). I have heard (can&#8217;t confirm) that it has already surpassed Corel.
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</p><p>Wow - had no idea it was getting that big. Much as stats need be regarded with a pinch of salt, would be great if more Open Source projects published those kind of figures.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Muhammad Alkarouri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muhammad Alkarouri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As always, somebody has to say 'Firebird':)&lt;br /&gt;
I would like to know what is the problem with firebird sql, apart from poor marketing (seems Borland is against it, and no big company is behind it).&lt;br /&gt;
It installs well in Windows and Linux. There are even no license problems, so companies like Redhat can use them with php without conflict. It is more stable and compliant than mysql, and easier (imho) than postgresql..&lt;br /&gt;
You get the point..&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, somebody has to say &#8216;Firebird&#8217;:)<br />
I would like to know what is the problem with firebird sql, apart from poor marketing (seems Borland is against it, and no big company is behind it).<br />
It installs well in Windows and Linux. There are even no license problems, so companies like Redhat can use them with php without conflict. It is more stable and compliant than mysql, and easier (imho) than postgresql..<br />
You get the point..</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I looked at Firebird because it was cross-platform.  The advantage that PostgreSQL (my ultimate choice) and MySQL (my initial choice) have over Firebird is that the level of documentation allows average computer users to become database administrators -- I am a CPA, with no formal IS training.  I could not find a basic tutorial for Firebird that would walk me through the basic steps for installation, database creation, database design, table creation and basic querying.  This was a couple of years ago, and may have changed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I run PostgreSQL databases (38GB of data) on FreeBSD.  This server has had no unplanned downtime since installation (2000).  I periodically move data into MySQL tables for a peer who runs MySQL on a laptop running Windows.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at Firebird because it was cross-platform.  The advantage that PostgreSQL (my ultimate choice) and MySQL (my initial choice) have over Firebird is that the level of documentation allows average computer users to become database administrators &#8212; I am a CPA, with no formal IS training.  I could not find a basic tutorial for Firebird that would walk me through the basic steps for installation, database creation, database design, table creation and basic querying.  This was a couple of years ago, and may have changed.</p>
<p>I run PostgreSQL databases (38GB of data) on FreeBSD.  This server has had no unplanned downtime since installation (2000).  I periodically move data into MySQL tables for a peer who runs MySQL on a laptop running Windows.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gould</title>
		<link>http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/05/26/cross-platform-open-source-more-successful/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I use Python in both FreeBSD and Windows.  I even have one MS Access application that calls Python scripts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hate to say it, but I enjoy using PythonWin, the editor for Python in Windows, more than the editors in *nix.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I hate to say it, but I enjoy using PythonWin, the editor for Python in Windows, more than the editors in *nix.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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