Which is best?

word press is the best way to create a web page design or any other web page design did you know please replay

The best way to design a website is either Adobe Photoshop or Adobe Illustrator.

I rest my case …

Photoshop. Illustrator is more for logos and designing scalable products.

Depends on what you want it to do.

I have done web sites from scratch and I just did a web site for my brother in law using wordpress so HE could edit it without ME being involved and editing the HTML files for him. He has no knowledge of html. Using wordpress allowed him control of his own site.

So it really depends on the control you want and the ease you want.

You can get wordpress set up in a manner to act as a html site and not as a blog site. We disabled comments, etc on his site. Liz

It depends on what look you want to achieve and on your skill level with the programs. I usually design layouts entirely in Illustrator unless there is major photo/screenshot editing involved. Even then, the pieces that need to be created in PS can just be placed into Illustrator as easily as you place a regular photo.

And you are right that AI is more suited to designing logos and scalable material than PS.

You are all wrong. The best way to create a website is by hand (because you can only guarantee the quality of the code if you know what’s going on behind the scenes). CMS solutions can produce good quality code (though they tend to suffer divitis) but if you are running it out of the box it’s an OK solution (not perfect because it’s designed to house components, not to be slender). As for all of you recommending graphics products for producing a website design, claiming Photoshop is a good solution for producing HTML and CSS code is like saying FrontPage will become the next W3C standard, it’s degrading (and slightly insulting) that anyone would think that a WYSIWYG editor or graphics product could export code of a higher standard than what could be done by hand. :slight_smile:

The question was which is best for a web page design, not for the code !
Wrt the code, I completely agree with you, but that’s not what this topic is about imho.

Don’t be fooled by the use of the word design. Websites can be designed and produced purely with HTML and CSS (with graphics imported through the use of IMG and background: elements and properties). Claiming that website design requires the involvement of a graphics editor is not only wrong but it’s very bad advice to offer out to anyone. Graphics editors function at the primary level for producing graphics or at best “mock-ups” of website prototypes, they are in no way suitable for anything remotely considered qualifyably for building websites. Their intended use is purely to produce graphical images and representations which are used within the pages, they are neither the source of the website or (should) have any involvement in the actual process of building the site itself, therefore they cannot be considered for “web page design”. Unless of course web page design only encompasses the wireframing / prototyping stage in which case you could say a pen and a piece of paper are just as justifiable (which sounds absurd to me). As far as I am concerned, if you are designing a website, it should be done through hand coding (and photoshop et al can be used to bring the required graphical representations to the page in the form of saved external media). Not to be confused with actually making a website (which is of course the primary goal of any designer). :slight_smile:

I thought he was asking about designing layouts. That’s usually the reason people look at Wordpress first (template choice and customizable layouts). It’s hard to infer more than that without more information. If seo001 comes back saying that we haven’t answered his question we will gladly get back on track.

I completely agree with you that hand coding is preferable to using a CMS/wysiwyg editor - you can be in complete control of your code and it will be A LOT CLEANER - and I agree that a graphics program will never fit the bill when it comes to coding.

As a sidenote, I think that having someone with no knowledge of HTML or CSS design a website layout is just as “bad” as a developer having to go through code created by a CMS/wysiwyg. It’s a messy process in both cases.

(BTW Alex, we KNOW that “design” and “development” are often used to refer to the same thing, though some of us do try to distinguish between appearance and function.)

Actually I refer to them differently, I just don’t think web design qualifies as a recognition sign to get out a graphics editor. If your designing using photoshop to come up with concept designs before their coded, it’s information architecture (as in wireframes, mock-up’s and prototypes) or graphic design. I qualify the difference between design and development in that Design does affect appearance (which would quantify as the use of HTML, CSS and JavaScript to directly affect the output visible on-screen) and development is based around the background behavioural functionality which alters how the information is processed (which would mainly deal with server-side scripting, transformations (XSLT) and to a certain extent, the less visually orientated functionable behaviour generated from client-side scripting). :slight_smile:

How then do you distinguish a web designer from a web developer. And why are there services such as psd to xhtml or you design we xhtml
such as psd2html.com ?

Did you not read what I posted before? I distinguish web designers as doing the stuff which affects the end look and feel of a design (HTML, CSS, JS) and the developer does the back-end stuff (server-side, XSLT, web apps). All those PSD to HTML services do is use a pre-existing model (a website mock-up or wireframe), take that graphic design and turn it into a web design (by writing the HTML, CSS and JavaScript to achieve the representation on-screen). :slight_smile:

Dream weaver is better

I agree, hand coding is ultimately ideal, but cms solutions can work very well as long as you are familiar with the particular cms markup and are willing to make it sing.

when familiar with the cms markup it is easy to find the correct add on functionality you need for you’re specific site idea.

As far as coding goes, i prefer notepad, it just loads so fast :wink:

I’d be a little more strict, Alex. The web developer is a mixed bag of jobs, the primary one being information architect (IA), which I think you gave greater importance earlier. This is where the entire site is actually designed. The organization of the site’s structure the vocabulary that lives in the navigation, the layout of navigation, content, sidebars, footers, headers, behavioral enhancement,etc.; everything on each page, in other words.

The front end coders (a coder is not a developer in his coder persona) marks up content, writes the css, javascript and the server side template.

The mid tier coders create the programming logic and interfaces for the db and the template.

At the back end is the db architect. His job is to design the db, create the APIs, and write all the queries; essentially providing black boxes for the mid tier coder.

Now, finally, the graphic designer. He provides the images the AI requires, and creates the widgets and color schemes that advance the look and feel of the client’s branding.

Ah, Andrew, this is a puff post, no? Can you support your thesis?

How many times do you fire up your editor in a session? I suppose Emacs is slow to start, but I never notice since my boot up routine is to start several browsers, several xterms, Emacs, and sometimes GIMP and an xterm in another virtual desktop. Even then, I only boot up once every couple of months or so, depending on the thunder-storms. Last boot 27 days ago. Aha! Just started Emacs in a terminal window: less than ½sec.

Besides being quick to start, what takes Notepad out of the toy-editor classification for you?

cheers,

gary

I also use html and Java, they are so good

Adobe Photoshop is the best…

gary, I agree to a point, the designer and the developer both have a mixed bag of jobs and they do (to some extent) intertwine, JavaScript is proof of this, while many designers use the UI elements of libraries like jQuery to boost their designs effectiveness, developers still use it to follow up with stuff like form validation. I wouldn’t say that information architecture is the developers task though, I’ve always seen myself as a designer and IA is something I usually undertake, wireframes, prototypes and concept art don’t really require any complex scripting and it’s pretty graphically orientated (hence why I would say it’s more a designers gig - or at least a consultants path). I always thought of developers as those thinking about what’s not physically visible (all the lovely stuff melting behind the scenes) where as the front-end guu (designer) deals with the layout and visual rendering and concept modelling. :slight_smile:

Yeaaaa Alex! :agree: all the way

Design doesn’t have to equal graphics.

My preferred tool for designing a website is a pencil and paper. Seriously!
Sketch out the layout you want to achieve, then work out what code you need to use to get there. Again, this is best done manually, either on paper or using a text editor.

When you’ve done that and got the layout right, then fire up your preferred graphics editor to draw the pretty bits.