Job Choice

Don’t. Transitions happen all the time, and there are always project deadlines that will either be coming up or occurring - you’d never be able to leave it you limited yourself to down times. As long as you follow @cpradio’s advice and leave with grace and honor, you’ll be fine.

And I would be honest with them if they ask - this company came after you, offering you a position multiple times, but this time you’ve been offered too much money this time to turn it down.

Agreed. I’ve done the same, and it’s never failed me. I’ve even gotten some side contracted jobs out of it (their idea, never suggested by me)


I can assure you that they will understand. Tell the truth… when you have the contract.

You could also agree with your new employer to give 3-4 weeks notice instead of the usual 2 due to the special circumstances. You’re new employer will appreciate your honesty and the fact that you don’t want your team to be at lost in the first week or two

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Yep, I’ve negotiated this before and my reasons were clear. I wanted to see a project through before starting the new endeavor. The new company understood and was willing to work with me on it.

I’ve worked two jobs before as transition - that sucked, but both companies appreciated the effort…

You don’t owe anything to anyone. At the end of the day it is a job. Go where the money is. Only schmucks slave away at the same position to barely make a 5 – 10% raise. The best way to increase earning potential and experience is to get a new job. When you have an opportunity like this starring you in face you would be a fool not to take it. That same company that you feel bad leaving wouldn’t give a second thought to throwing your @ss out the door if they had to… again it is just business. The only person you owe anything to is yourself and for that reason you should move on unless you have concerns outside loyalty. The only thing you owe an employer is delivering the best possible software you can in a timely manor. Beyond on that nothing when it comes to moving onto better opportunities. Make sure to put in 2 weeks notice and say your just looking for a change. That is all it has to be really. Anyone with ambition should certainly understand and not be offended. Not to mention you don’t want to sit at some job for several years doing the same thing day and day out. That works well for a while but eventually anyone with a tad amount of drive wants to do something different. So kick start that and move on.


Let me put it this way…

If someone approached me and offered:

2x salary
Projects(s) using latest technologies which I would like work with
Same/near location (norelocation)
People didn’t seem like complete @assholes

Pending a visit I would put in my 2 weeks immediately. Wouldn’t even be a thought in my mind. It is hard to ignore a double salary and working with what you want to work with. In my experience the larger salaries are contrasted by old, antiquated software not new stuff cause no one wants to manage a decade old mess where as EVERYONE wants to start from scratch/take ownership over something that they can create their own.

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Is your current position perm or contract?

What about the potential new spot?

What country are you?

What do you do for a living? Programmer? Designer? Other?

That’s a good idea. I can definitely offer extra week.

I can’t go into details but I can tell you this much.

It deals with Cloud Processing (Hadoop), Full Stack Framework (Backbone.js, jquery.js, Java, Groovy, and 10 others).

I am 100% bonafide programmer but pretend like designer if need be… or even pretend to be system engineer, project manager, and etc…

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Very good points. I usually think like the way you do and it was much easier on past experience since there are other developers to back it up… Current one… there is no backup… possiblity of leaving the project on the week of release seems ‘unprofessional’…which is why I have rejected multiple times… but somehow I agreed to their temrs. Still, I will NEVER pass up this opportunity…even if it feels like kicking someone in the groin. Then again…you’re right… I have done my best and done my duty as well. Thanks for the advice.

I was in the same situation and I went with sticking with the people I’m with because…

a) The people here are really good to work with. It’s normally 2 o’clock before I know it
b) I have enough freedom/responsibility in this role to keep learning at my own pace. A nice balance of work and free time to experiment/go off and do courses
c) There are challenges here for me to complete, and I have a little more flexibility with regards to how I complete these challenges.
d) I’m respected here
e) Travel

Good luck and I hope it works out for you.

Thanks all for the replies! Definitely, it’s a mixed bag of responses. If money is not the priority then I’d stay… I really act like my own boss w/ current job… The other, I actually have a boss. Not that it’s bad but it’s definitely more fun to be captain of my own ship… then again, I always learn more by jumping to a different ship built by others. Now, I have to learn Groovy/Backbone.js. Backbone.js is super simplistic compared to AngularJS or ExtJS… Seems like this tool is made for devs who wants leanest mvc framework that works w/ jQuery. Again, thanks for the advices!


The combo I am always looking for is Money + Project
(by “Project” I mean the technologies I am working with. It has to be something popular, from the latest dev. stack and also very important as well, are the people I am working with, they have to be experienced so I can learn something form them).

Both Money and Project are equally important, although I would definitely take a job paid less if Project is better.
It’s a choice which on longer term should be much better.
On the other hand, in times when I was paid very low, I switched jobs even if the Project was somehow the same or didn’t seem way better than I was doing.
Even if existing work place and conditions are great, this never counts to me as long as the Money + Project combo is not right.

Now, regarding your position:

If offer is really 2X more money, you are either earning very low OR there’s a catch.

If you think there’s a catch, you need to make sure you ask all the questions you can to try understand exactly what are you getting into.

For example, you could ask:
“if you’re going to hire me, what exactly will I be working on. What kind of tasks will I be working on?”.

You could continue and add to the question some very practical examples based on what they told you, like (suppose it’s mobile app development) “Will I be working on implementing the screens with technology X? Do you use framework Y?”

If the person is not technical, ask to speak to someone who is, maybe the person which you will be working with each day.
Getting to know a little the exact people you will be working with day by day is very very important, it’s equally important as the money and project.

In my experience, I went to interviews meeting with managers which had no fucking clue what I will be doing exactly.

There’s no catch. I worked w/ this company before for 18 months. They told me exactly what I’ll be doing ‘Janitor’ aka ‘do everything front-end to back-end’. Which is what I do anyways. To me, learning new technology at the job is 2nd priority. I usually have a home project to relieve all my IT itch. Still, I don’t want to work w/ technologies from 1990’s for example. Priority #1 is the people I work with… unfortunately I could not meet w/ the developers. As of now, the hardest part is writing the resignation letter… I think it’ll happen tomorrow or sometime next week… ah well… I’ll worry about it then.

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If People is your #1 Priority and your current workplace is great, why are you writing the resignation letter without first trying to talk to your boss and try get a substantial increase. If not 2x times then maybe 1.3x or 1.5x.

It’s too bad you couldn’t meet with developers. I wonder what’s the issue with that.

For me learning cool technology is not about IT itch but more like an investment on a longer term.

Congratulations on the job. Hopefully you can look back at this as a big turning point in your career.

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