Hi,
On version 45.0.02 of firefox the site http://maudeandtommy.co.uk does not seam to load properly 
If anyone has the time to see if they too have problems on their desktop with Firefox as the browser I’d be v. grateful.
Thanks,
David
Hi there Nightwing,
it might be a good idea to check out the two links…
…as a starting point. 
coothead
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Hi there Nightwing,
as one who detests all frameworks, it is very unusual of me
to look at, or even help with their multitude of problems.
Nevertheless, I would suggest that Firefox is having serious
problems with your “Revolution Slider”. 
I am done. 
coothead
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That seems like a fair assumption to me.
When I land on the page with JS disabled (as usual), it loads fine (apart from the slide show, of course). Once I enable JS, the slide show appears (but doesn’t slide) and everything else vanishes. Clicking on the slide show link, and then going back a page finally loads the rest of the page along with it.
FWIW, it’s even worse on Chromium (Ubuntu Gnome 15.10). I’ve failed to get the entire page to load there no matter what I do.
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Oh jesus… i was fearing this But thank you for getting back to me. Not being a wordpress guru, my nxt concern is what to do with revolution slider if its not cross browser compatible
P.s I “HATE” Wordpress!
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Fixit or replace it with something that is more acceptable.
The sheer number of validation errors is quite worrying. I have not looked closely at the code, so I’m not sure how many (if any) of them relate to the slider, but with that many errors I’m surprised the site displays correctly on any browser.
Whether they are the culprit of this problem or not, they should be fixed.
Its really not all that surprising considering how smart browsers are these days. Validation is really less of a concern than it use to be considering how well most modern browsers handle invalid HTML. Issue probably has nothing to do with HTML being valid. Most browsers are smart enough to figure it out now.
I’ve noticed. 
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Not if you are coder, rather than a “C&P’er” or a “frameworks” aficionado.
I would assume, and please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, that
those who are not members of the ever growing band of “cowboy coders”,
take great care, and perhaps a certain amount of personal pride, with the
code that they create. For them the validators are essential tools in the box.
coothead
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More often than not the html output is not controlled by a developer themselves but editors and the cms being used but that is besides the point. I’m just saying don’t spend time to fix invalid code if that isn’t the problem which I don’t think it would be. Any idiot can point out validation errors but are those errors causing your immediate problem probably not. I build web applications though not websites so perfect html is really a low priority on top of all other things which would probably be different than if I were just building small websites.
Hi there oddz,[quote=“oddz, post:12, topic:221163”]
I’m just saying don’t spend time to fix invalid code if that isn’t the problem…
[/quote]
Invalid code may not be a problem today but it certainly might prove to be
one tomorrow or the day after. 
Validating code as you code is definitely not as time intensive as that spent
attempting to solve the plethora of problems that poorly written code causes.
The number of ‘idiots’ that point out validation errors pales into insignificance
when compared to the number of mindless multitudes that now seem to be
creating them on a mammoth scale. 
Of course, I am obviously biased, when I say that these two devils “WordPress”
and “Bootstrap” have turned HTML into a bigger mess than table layouts. 
Would a ‘bona fide’ coder ever have written nonsense like this…
<li class="menu-item-32 menu-item menu-item-type-taxonomy menu-item-object-product_cat menu-item-has-children sf-std-menu">
No, I don’t think so, but please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken.
Of course, being a bald headed demented old fart, I quite often am. 
coothead
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I’m with you @coothead. Validation errors may not cause problems in one browser but could do in another. And how do you know whether they are causing a problem if you don’t fix them…
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Indeed, over the years this forum his gotten a lot of “it works in XY, but not Z” topics where it was finally determined that some browsers “fixed” the bad mark-up in a way that pleased the dev but the “problem browser” did not.
Funny though that at times the “good” browsers are doing it right but at other times the “bad” browser is.
As a general rule, GIGO
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True, the validator is so easy to use, there really in no excuse to not use it.
Of course you need to really excel in your idiocy to then ignore the errors.
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To be fair, I think often it’s more a matter of being a pragmatist or being a perfectionist.
I have the luxury of not having time deadlines, and have learned the hard way that is easier to validate as I go so I don’t have a mountain of files to refactor.
I also consider the validator a tool not a rule.
Just because the validator squawks doesn’t mean I absolutely must do something.
On the other hand, I have found that having valid mark-up provides the best chance I have of reducing errors (in particular, obscure cross-browser issues) and is often an essential first step in solving problems.
To get back to @Nightwing 's problem, this is in no way the first “slider problem” topic I’ve seen here.
It would be hoped that being a WordPress plugin the plugin author would have taken precautions to ensure that it at least works with typical WordPress themes.
Problem being, what is a typical WordPress theme.
WordPress fans often praise the availability of the vast numbers of plugins and themes.
This is good, but also bad. It can be a daunting task to get everything to play well together.
In this case, I would take out the slider and make sure the pages are OK without it.
Then, try different sliders until I found one that worked with the theme that is being used.
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