How would you build the ULTIMATE PC?

They’ve definitely got some cool systems there at AlienWare…but I didn’t see anything about Operating Systems (maybe I didn’t look hard enough)

What O/S should I consider?

I’m on XP 2002 Professional now, and it’s pretty good. At least I don’t crash like I did with my old Win98se.

I’ve heard alot of gamers gunning for max performance go with Windows 2000 Professional.

Think this is the best way to go?

Most alienware systems come with XP Home

Windows XP Pro and Windows 2000 Professional are the exact same thing. Windows XP Pro just has a facelift to give the OS a new look.

I would definately recommend XP Pro or Windows 2000 Pro. dont go with windows 95/98/ME. XP Home is stable, but XP Pro gives you more control over your machine

I’ve heard that the XP Pro takes away from memory because of the “bells & whistles” that were added that aren’t really needed.

Plus, I’ve noticed that big companies running mission critical systems (that just can’t go down) all use Win 2000 Pro, at at least alot of them do.

I did notice that Alienware doesn’t offer Win 2000 Pro

That is not entirely correct - I know for a fact that there are numerous changes under the hood, though I don’t have a list of them. I read an entire article one on how XP optimizes bootup times, for instance.

If you are going dual, you’ll need XP Pro, as Home doesn’t support it.

Now, we are speaking Alienware systems here, which are for gaming, but anyway, you said in your original post that you wanted the ultimate PC for business - in that case I would just buy a Powermac G5 and be done with it, as it is the fastest thing you can get today. I’m not sure it’s in your price range or not, though. Check prices on something else than Apples homepage.

matt why spend all that money an g5, when you can build a faster pc for the same price, if not cheaper.

Two main reasons:

  1. You can’t build a PC faster than the G5. There is nothing that fast availiable on the consumer market.

  2. Mac OS X is much better than Windows.

There are also a couple of other nice minor things with the G5, such as a very quiet computer-controlled cooling system and a very nice design.

I think I can agree with that. Although if you are on PC you could go with some linux distro (there are so many out there), I don’t have much experience with linux but am I wrong when I say Mac OS X is not much different from some linux distros? (since OS X is originally built from BSD which is very similar to linux)
Also if you are looking for good uptime linux wont disappoint you…

But down to the hardware, I recently bought a computer (AMD 2500XP+, 1GB DDRAM, Geforce 5600 256MB, A7N8X Deluxe mobo ;)), went to the store and got the hardware I wanted and the guys at the shop offered to put it together for me and I am very happy with it. You really won’t see much difference with the “ultimate” pc and just a very good pc although the first mentioned might be more powerful you propably won’t benefit from it until after some time, since very few programs need that powerful computer. When that time comes I would simply buy new computer that is maybe not the “ultimate” computer but just as said, fairly good pc that you can get fairly cheap. That way you could save some money I think…
So to make it short, instead of buying the best you can seldom, I think it is better to buy not-the-best-but-good stuff more often, also upgrading the computer is not that hard… (adding new hdd or more ram) :slight_smile:

Just my opinion though, feel free to disagree :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes. Very.

Mac OS X is quite different from any given Linux distributions. Mac OS X runs on a modified Unix (BSD) core, called darwin, but I really think the similiarities end there. First and foremost, it can run Adobe and Macromedia applications, and Microsoft Office. It has a very, very nice and simple-to-use GUI called Aqua which is tremendously impressive, compared to anything. It integrates much better with Windows than Linux does. It comes with an IDE (XCode) almost rivaling Visual Studio.NET. It has an auto-configurating network thingy called Rendevous, which automatically detects anything plugged into the network. It syncs natively with cell phones, which integrates into the OS adress book and messaging functionality. I.e. if you have a bluetooth phone, SMS messages pops up on screen automatically, and you can respond to them by typing in the window and pressing enter. It can fax natively. If you have a drawing pad, you can write anywhere on the screen to have it recognized as text. Encryption of your home directory.
And MAN is it beautiful. Windows or any Linux distrubution doesn’t stand a chance. When you minimize windows, they “liquify” and slurp down onto the dock. Dropdown menus fold out like a veil. You can press F9 to have all your opened windows scale (yeah, scale, not resize) into smaller versions of themselves and reposition themselves so you get an overview of all your opened windows. I could go on.

So to make it short, instead of buying the best you can seldom, I think it is better to buy not-the-best-but-good stuff more often, also upgrading the computer is not that hard… (adding new hdd or more ram) :slight_smile:

Yeah, I agree with that, (that’s why I don’t have a Mac) but that is offtopic. The thread starter asked for the ultimate PC, not a discussion on whether or not it’s a good idea to have one or not.

Maybe something like http://www.thermaltake.com
There you’ll get nice looking cases which include ventilators. You can also get water-cooling system.

You can’t have an ultimate PC if you don’t have quad Xeon CPUs!

You also can’t have an ultimate PC without a RAID array.

It looks as if you’re on the right track, anyway. I just definitely wouldn’t get a Pentium III, and I would definitely want more hard disk performance (RAID).

Matt, ok, convinced, haven’t used OS X, just seen it and tested it a bit, and it’s terminal looks just like linux shell, that’s why I thought it was quite similar :wink:

And yes, I was just offering some advice…

And I must agree with mmj, RAID is something you definitely should have (then with [url=http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/S/Serial_ATA.html]SerialATA or [url=http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/S/SCSI.html]SCSI disks), that makes everything go faster and if you have RAID 1 (disk mirroring) and a disk crashes you will not lose your data, strongly recommended.

And what games would you play? Photoshop CS?

As I said in my earlier post, this was referring to computer you use for business, which is what Rockrz said in his initial post. For gaming, Macs aren’t suitable, of course. Sidenote: I would argue that PCs aren’t suitable for gaming overall, as you have to spend an enourmous amount of money to run the latest games (in comparison to consoles), but that is, of course another matter.

Silly rabbit, that’s what a PS2 or XBox is for!

Sorry, but you couldn’t give me a Powermac G5, even it it were absolutely free!

I have friends that run Mac products and they’re always having problems interacting with the rest of the world.

I’m no fan of Macs. I did see one once, though . . .

Like i said in my earler posts xeons are pathetic in terms of fsb quad xeons are even more pathetic (533mhz divided by 4) For the best of the best I would recommend a dual athlon 64 fx running gentoo linux. Also iam having a hard time beleiving that linux isn’t getting any attention here. Linux has huge benifits over windows or mac os.

cough Debian cough

I don’t think the Linux vs Windows was getting attention because he was asking about the hardware. Once you get the hardware you can put what you want on it, be it an AMD/Intel system.

Whoa. Thats about the farthest from the truth right there. Who/Where did you get that idea?

Find a consumer PC that is faster than a dual G5 (note the word “consumer” as Mattias said) and he’ll be proven wrong.

:lol: you gotta be kidding me Vinnie…: then you find a person who considers a dual G5 (starting at 2666€ ~ 3261$) a consumer computer and not a workstation!!!