LOL!!! Have a very Merry Christmas!
The main problem I had was that I cannot create a slideshow of background images. At least I know of no way. So, I had to use them as âcontent,â with <img> tags. Then I had to absolutely position the copy and use negative top margin to get it to lay over the images.
Iâm going to ask him about the load time. He has never mentioned it, and I certainly havenât had a problem, even after clearing my cache. Just did it now, then opened the site. It took between 5 - 10 seconds to appear and loaded rapidly. To me, thatâs acceptable to avoid a fight with him over his images.
I agree, and I fixed that. I thought he was going to get me the content to put in there right away, as he had been sending me page after page. But then I realized he had something else in mind. I think he only meant those to be a âtable of contentsâ, not links. so now they go nowhere. No more 404 Page not found.
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Who will demand their money back if you havenât catered for standard things such as accessibility. Accessibility is a given for web design - if you are not including that then you need to clearly state it up front as otherwise the client has a perfect right to expect that it be included with all the other basic aspects of a web site.
You need to remember that disability statistics show that somewhere between 90% and 98% of visitors to any web site are disabled in some way and that in some cases a disability that the person themselves is unaware of may make your site unusable for them.
Iâm always puzzled by this kind of response, which seems to regard âthe disabledâ as a separate group, with lives and interests which donât really impinge on ârealâ life.
I have a number of issues which can make some sites very hard for me to use. I wasnât born with any of them; theyâre the result of a virus some twenty-odd years ago - a not uncommon virus which could affect anyone, including an existing customer. A friend is a better typist than Iâll ever be, but has serious difficulties in using a mouse, because of severe arthritis in her hands. What about cataracts? Again, a common condition affecting many people, and until theyâre ready for treatment, they can make reading very difficult - especially if the site is not well-designed.
Accident, injury or illness can affect anybody, including your most valued client. The effects may be short-term, long-term or permanent. Why risk losing business - and potentially being sued for discrimination - when it takes little more effort to build an accessible site (despite claims to the contrary from those who donât bother)?
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Oh, please. This is whatâs wrong with the world today.
Iâm not creating News sites, blogs, biographies, or any other types of âinformation sitesâ that would interest the general public where such âenhancementsâ might be of value to many people, and my client in this particular case is targeting people who are into art and design, and customizing automobiles. If he were targeting people with disabilities, he would most probably want every bell and whistle employed.
As an artist myself, seeing what I create displayed on a Web page in a way that detracts from the design, or requires that I not do something a certain way, takes the joy and the creativity out of it. This is advertising. Fonts are chosen for their eye appeal as much as for their readability, and sometimes even readability might take a back seat (headlines that are highly stylized, for example).
Citation please. I find that very hard to believe.
Itâs a shame, but it seems âpolitical correctnessâ has now infected Web design and Web forums.
I guess Iâll be black listed from now on.
I think this is the crux.
I do not think of a page as being only a âholderâ for art, I think of the page itself in its entirety as being the art.
Nothing requires you to design a certain way (except maybe accessibility Law for certain sites)
Nothing requires you to have a certain level of professionalism or skill level.
There is no shame in admitting you are unable or averse to doing things the way they should be done.
We all started somewhere and we all have far to go
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There are plenty of sites that have statistics that show that there are around 15 to 25% of people who are sufficiently disabled to be identified in various Government records as being disabled. Those figures include some whose disability doesnât affect their web use and excludes all those people who are not sufficiently disabled to be recorded as such.
Letâs take just one of the many types of disability that does affect web use but which doesnât get included in the Government counts. According to http://glassescrafter.com/information/percentage-population-wears-glasses.html approximately 75% of Americans need glasses or some other form of vision correction. Presumably the figures for other countries would be similar.
Just those two items alone gives us over 80% of the population being disabled so once you take the other types of disability into account it is surprising that the actual figure is not above 99.999% disabled. In fact it probably is but it is almost impossible to determine the disability that people have who do not know they are disabled.
Citation please. I find that very hard to believe.
Itâs a shame, but it seems âpolitical correctnessâ has now infected Web design and Web forums.
I guess Iâll be black listed from now on.
It is just over 25 years ago that âthe webâ was born and it has well outgrown the initial mainframe access.
Designers now have to cater to users with slow Wifi access connections and ironically screen size reductions although screen resolution has increased and we have nearly all progressed from monochrome.
It appears you are blacklisting mobile users 
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You seem to have missed the point of my post. Anybody could be a person with a disability - including you and your client. Accidents and illnesses are no respecters of persons, and somebody who is fit and healthy today may find themselves with a disability - temporary or permanent - tomorrow.
(Iâm also bemused by the idea that people with disabilities will have no interest in âart and design, and customizing automobilesâ. Why the heck not?)
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(Warning, this is not a typical Stomme poes rant. Itâs far worse, and I can understand if mods decide it needs to be removed. Sitepoint is typically, and by its nature, a supportive place where people donât sling monkey turds around and especially not at those coming seeking knowledge. But an open declaration has been set, called âBaloneyâ on real human beings who damn well exist.)
Well duh, cripples obviously stay home, sitting in darkened rooms waiting for the Day Nurse to come and wipe their butts and for family to come give pity visits-- they donât actually⌠use computers or anything. Let alone have actual jobs where they need to access, create, or use websites, among other things.</sarcasm>
The fact that we continually have to fight for our basic civil rights while random people who donât give any shits just waltz into this industry and then have the balls to tell us that we donât deserve anything that works because following the most basic, simple, and easy web standards is just too damn hard⌠Iâm gonna call it what it is, laziness. Because look at me-- how is a {{ slow person }} like me still fully capable of following basic web standards while itâs too hard for someone who only needs to do half the work I do for the same result?? Lazy. Thoughtless. Cruel.
I always wonder, out of pure curiosity, why anyone bothers entering the web development world being completely insistent of NOT learning or following the standards or caring about users. Is it because they ENJOY making othersâ lives utter shite or is it that it earns more money than flipping burgers and hey if it makes life harder for some cripples well, who cares, theyâre not really people?? Are simple web standards baloney? Or is the we the actual human beings who are baloney? Screw people, just get paid??? And when you end up with pneumonia that your body decides to keep attacking some organ until itâs nothing than a pile of scar tissue, did you suddenly stop being a human being? Did you magically lose your rights or something? Did you go from a ânormal personâ who uses technology and has friends to a lonely (and apparently mythical) thing that counts the seconds until death?
I sometimes think: I canât wait for the day Civil Engineers decide to do the same so all the crap around us can just break and the only way ordinary citizens can get bridges and buildings and food safe is by hiring some scuzzball lawyer to sue someone who couldnât. Be. Arsed. To learn their craft. As if the only way we can get quality anything is by suing and the fear of suing, instead of people building things properly (not perfectly, we donât demand Godliness, just trying to follow the standards) in the first place because thatâs the whole point of building things, itâs FOR PEOPLE and thatâs why a bunch of volunteers spend their free time writing standards, and why TBL wasted his time inventing hyperlinks. For people.
I donât tend to go off so hard on people obviously learning and new and trying to figure out new things in web-dev, because nobody enters this industry knowing all the things, or even some of the things. I came in knowing nothing and asking all the stupid questions and writing the shittiest steaming piles of code you can think of. But someone coming in with the full attitude of âStuff users, just pay meâ doesnât deserve (yet) any help, advice or sympathy, because itâs a wasted effort that only adds to the nearly-deliberate hurting, frustration and discrimmination of others. We shouldnât encourage and help some people push other peopleâs faces into the mud for fun or profit or any damn reason.
This is an evil thought, but I hope some day you end up in our shoes and discover how much the world would then think youâd be better off in your darkened room awaiting those butt-wiping visits, while we instead actually have plenty of capabilities, knowledge, dreams and things we can do to better the world. Your world. Our world.
Sometimes things just need to be pointed at and called out. And now Iâm going to leave before I pull a Godwin.
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