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ha ha - very apt :slight_smile:

Of course, if I could spell the word development it might help, but that’s what I get for posting on the laptop… can’t type worth **** on these things.

All right, thank you very much for the very detailed evaluation on my home page. I haven’t been doing this too long so I’m bound to make mistakes lol.

Though I have to disagree about DreamWeavers templates. That feature saved my life IMO. I’m also not really sure if my images are really a problem, and I don’t think the contrast is bad. I was going to do orange headings with the gray background, but I thought it would start looking a bit too much like my partners website lol (I probably shouldn’t have that mind set). So instead, I went with the “cyan” color to match one of the main characters costume.

Also:

You can file that right alongside auto-playing MIDI music, comic sans, and animated gif backgrounds.

What music? Which animated background? What?

You MAY wish to follow the rules of XHTML when using a XHTML doctype and actually bother CLOSING your tags and typing all your tags and attributes in lower case.

Could you please point this out? I don’t remember using upper case and I feel I’m pretty anal about closing my tags. Do you just tell everyone this?

I’m going to try and finish the “Downloads” section and I will look deeper into the issues you addressed. Thank you.

Actually it shot you in the foot, you’re just still in shock and haven’t felt it yet.

Give it time.

As a dearly departed friend used to say, the only thing you can learn from Dreamweaver is how NOT to build a website, and the only thing about Dreamweaver that can be considered professional grade tools are the people promoting it’s use.

Could you maybe evaluate more? If not, I guess I’ll just learn the hard way :frowning:

I mainly use DreamWeaver because of it’s convenient “Design View”. I have hand-coded almost everything (if it isn’t already obvious, lol) and the design view gives me a quick preview of what my work looks like. And if I messed up one of my tags, at least it tells me about it.

Then there’s the people who only use design view, and for simple things. Like it’s some kind of crutch.

That’s how professionals use Dreamweaver. THe design view is only there to give a quick view of how the page looks. You shouldn’t actually use it for building the page - that’s what code view is for.

The only people who end up with messhy invalid pages out of Dreamweaver are those who don’t know how to use it properly.

It’s funny because in one of my markup classes, we were only suppose to use NotePad for our assignments and someone actually used DreamWeaver, and the teacher could tell just by the way the code was written :lol:

Well, that should tell you something :cool:

Yes - it tells you that the person doesn’t know how to use Dreamweaver properly - if you write the code there properly using the code view then it would look no different from notepad (except for the nice colour coding that Dreamweaver provides to make it easier to spot errors in your code).

True, but there are alternatives if you want to have those colors, for a lot less money :slight_smile: I’m using Notepad++ for instance. And a couple of browsers to see how it looks…

He’s been reliably informed that it’s a great way to meet chicks.

That’s cool. Everyone has their own tools to do the job. I personally use DreamWeaver most of the time just because it’s a convenient tool for me. It is also a learning tool IMO. I’m currently trying to learn PHP and most of the tutorials I’ve found online either don’t write very good scripts (often getting error messages when I test them), or they mix it with bad design techniques (using lots of tables), yes I know I’ve done it too. I don’t get these errors as often when I use DreamWeaver and now I at least understand the code so I can troubleshoot. Now I just need to learn how to write it from scratch.

I just didn’t like in the class (where we were aloud to use DreamWeaver) that a lot of people had the same boring layout that was obviously not hand-coded, but made from some DreamWeaver premade layout. Then again, that was a Web Development course and design wasn’t so important but STILL!

Lol

It is also a learning tool IMO.

This is the part to avoid.

If you like the syntax highlighting, the code completion, the in-built FTP stuff… that’s fine, that’s something someone would use to decide if they choose one tool over another.

But learning HOW to code on that means first you’ll learn a bunch of bad Adobe habits, and then later, assuming you keep learning and building sites, you’ll waste more time UNlearning them.

This is why your teacher is insisting on Notepad. There’s nothing great and wonderful about Notepad. I’d never bother coding in it, unless I had to. But Notepad doesn’t do anything for you, which is exactly what you need when you are learning code.

You don’t want code completion when you’re still unsure when to use > and when to use />.
You don’t want code completion when you don’t know when Javascript requires a ; and when it’s imperative that you don’t use one.
And frankly I would expect any “web design” student to come out of that class knowing how to use such a basic and necessary tool as FTP on their own. Whether you later prefer a tool that does if for you because it’s faster or whatever, fine.

I’m currently trying to learn PHP and most of the tutorials I’ve found online either don’t write very good scripts (often getting error messages when I test them), or they mix it with bad design techniques (using lots of tables), yes I know I’ve done it too.

Same here with Javascript. The old garbage from 2002 seems to always float to the top of search results. And when you’re new it’s hard to tell how garbagey it really is. This is where having a colleague or someone who already knows more around is great. They have the exerience to tell you how bad (or good) any tut or bit of code is, and why.

What music? Which animated background? What?

He’s comparing a heap of bad evil stupid rancid stinking web “design” with each other.

Could you please point this out? I don’t remember using upper case and I feel I’m pretty anal about closing my tags. Do you just tell everyone this?

For example, your favicon:
<link rel=“shortcut icon” href=“Images/Other Images/More/favicon.ico”>
Though I think he was more looking at the general coding style. It’s correct to see closing tags as anal when we all know no browser gives a rat’s no matter what doctype you throw up there, but it’s more the whole “the developer giving a rat’s”. It’s a mindset, one which most of us have and then don’t mostly depending on how close a deadline is : )

And coding techniques like here:


   <div id="sidenews"><a href="category/news.php"><img src="Images/Buttons/latest.jpg" /></a>
                   <p class="pnews"><a href="category/newsarticle.php?record=15"><strong>stuff</strong></a>
            <hr id="hrnews" /></p>
                        <p class="pnews"><a href="category/newsarticle.php?record=14"><strong>stuff</strong></a>
            <hr id="hrnews" /></p>
                        <p class="pnews"><a href="category/newsarticle.php?record=8"><strong>stuff</strong></a>
            <hr id="hrnews" /></p>
                        <p class="pnews"><a href="category/newsarticle.php?record=6"><strong>stuff</strong></a>
            <hr id="hrnews" /></p>
            <br />
      </div>
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(hr in a p… but also the whole idea of that code, even if it was technically correct, is kinda horrid)

I just didn’t like in the class (where we were aloud to use DreamWeaver) that a lot of people had the same boring layout that was obviously not hand-coded, but made from some DreamWeaver premade layout. Then again, that was a Web Development course and design wasn’t so important but STILL!

I subscribed to the Dutch version of Web Design magazine… I think mostly because they offered the magazines cheap and then a free copy of Steve Krug’s Don’t Make Me Think (translated to Dutch and recently released!). But the “tutorial” sections are horrid. (I recently read my first .net magazine and omidog it had “Command-line Git” and other actually useful stuff!!!)

“How to do X with HTML5 and CSS3” most of them start out.

Then it’s just, “open dreamweaver and select template X”
then
“in dreamweaver select “add media queries” and blah blah…”
then
“in dreamweaver select “add dropdown menu” blah blah…”
(or whatever… there was very little code in those “tutorials”)

Frankly, if I ever become a “web design” teacher, I’m going to force those kids to code in VIM. Then they’d be learning some real skills, lawlz.

As a chick, I can confirm this. My husband’s a programmer. See?

Yeah I didn’t realize that until later. It’s a bit hard to tell online where everything is written. I thought he was actually telling me to get rid of the music I don’t have.

I actually tried fixing this last night, but I couldn’t get it to work by doing it a different way. I basically want my “Latest” to look like this dude’s “Latest Headlines”: Metal Gear Solid: True Fans Site // Metal Gear News, Updates, Trailers, Articles, Downloads, and more

Lol oh jeez. I seriously think, IMO, that it’s much easier to do the code yourself. Just open code view and it’s right there, instead of doing this, doing that. In DreamWeaver, if you’re too lazy to type in a break or you don’t know how (which you’d probably have not much business making websites), you can go to Insert, and then go to something that says “Break Tag”.

I agree 100%

And you are probably right about trying not to learn too much from Adobe. For now though it might just be my best resource :frowning: but I am going to be taking a PHP/SQL and some databases courses next semester.

Thanks for the heads up.