Dare I take this job?

I’ve been out of full time work for what will be 3 years this coming February. Sure, I did a few full time jobs creating websites, doing flash and video editing. But I am rusty and I have lost confidence. Heck, I showed one of my websites here and some shot it down stating my work was the work of a designer 10 years ago. What can I say? It is what it is. My CSS is not up to part. And I don’t know HTML 5.
So here is my dilemma. My wife works in a new medical office. They want a website. She told them I do good work. They want to know a price for a website. Do I take it and possibly louse up making my wife look bad? Or do I crawl under the rock defeated. :wink: Or do I stop this stupidity and do what any other self respecting I individually would do, take the job and move forward without any fear?
Heck, I still working with tables!!!

Tough situation, how long do you have to work on the website? I’m sure if you have the confidence and some time you can move away from tables to create layouts to clean html and css. If you have some time there’s plenty of resources to read up and learn CSS and other areas which you’re rusty in. I don’t know HTML5 either, but that doesn’t matter, because I’m learning. Everything takes time, keep at it and do your best, I’m sure you’ll be able to do the work no problems. Confidence and persistence!

Take it. Just don’t use HTML 5 :wink:
And use tables only for table data.

You’re afraid to make your wife look bad, but what would your wife think if you tell her you won’t do it?

As guido said, HTML5 is irrelevant. And I suspect you do know enough CSS to get started. Feel free to check with us here if you want feedback on what you are doing. :slight_smile: The key is to keep the site simple and to the point, without being unnecessarily fancy. Clients want all the bells and whistles, but site visitors just want something that is clear, well organized and easy to use. If you adhere to those principles, you will probably produce a better site than most others would! Take the job, and good luck! :slight_smile:

You can find plenty of css layouts on the web to use and if you pick the right one its a matter of changing the look - go slow and check the results. The rest you can do with tables and HTML 4.

“The rest you can do with tables :eek: and HTML 4.”

I suggest take the project and outsource the stuff that you cannot do, this is what designers and developers are doing nowadays. It is hard to tackle the entire project on your own specially if you are aware that you do lack some skills. Create your winning team and build that site!

Good luck!

If you’re not confident in using CSS for layout, a useful interim technique to use while you get up to speed would be to use a CSS grid framework like 960. These type of frameworks make it easy and quick to arrange a page without having to worry too much about cross browser issues.

Great feedback. I appreciate everyone for their help. I’m going to go for it.
What is 960? Do I have to pay for it?

You can get it or read more about the 960 grid system here

Definately, take it.

Make sure that you understand what they want and their needs and expectations. That is, meet with them ask them for the goal of the site and which style they like (this may be that they give you a list of sites they like and they don’t and they can tell you why they like it and why they don’t) because you need to charge accordingly.

And remember, if you can’t do it (whether because you don’t feel confident or because you don’t know how to do it) you need to subcontract that particular service, so don’t go too cheap.

Yes I’m taking the job. Thanks for the positive vibes. I only wish I could put Flash into it since I love Flash so much. But I am afraid I wouldn’t be doing the client any favors. So this is what I came up with so far.

  1. Offer a Mobile Device website in addition to the regular website. But I guess I should charge extra for this.
  2. Register Domain name
  3. Select Hosting Service. This would be a good opportunity to start charging them for a monthly hosting service but I will not do that at this time since I don’t have the experience.
  4. Offer a Facebook Page.
  5. Possible CMS. However, I can always include this later on if they want it. Of course I would have to charge for this. What do you think?
  6. Client would have to purchase stock photos. I could take the photos myself. However, I don’t know how photogenic the people there are. LOL I am a good photographer but I don’t have the proper lighting equipment to make good office shots.

Can anyone recommend questions I should ask the doctors during my first meeting for the website?

  1. [quote=“Another_Designer,post:12,topic:94964”]
    Offer a Mobile Device website in addition to the regular website. But I guess I should charge extra for this.
    [/quote]

    [/LIST]Yes, you should charge extra for this. But careful because designing for mobiles can be a bit tircky.[LIST=1]
  2. [quote=“Another_Designer,post:12,topic:94964”]
    Register Domain name
    [/quote]
    fine
  3. [quote=“Another_Designer,post:12,topic:94964”]
    Select Hosting Service. This would be a good opportunity to start charging them for a monthly hosting service but I will not do that at this time since I don’t have the experience.
    [/quote]
    If you select a good company, that shoudn’t be much of a problem. Yet, it is wise that you don’t try to take more than you can… you already will have plenty of problems with the website!
  4. [quote=“Another_Designer,post:12,topic:94964”]
    Offer a Facebook Page.
    [/quote]
    Again, even with iFrames in place which allow you to create a regular html page and load it in FB’s canvas, this can be tricky. That should also be an extra. As far as I know, this company already has a FB page and FB needs to serve to a particular purpose and marketing strategy. Personally, I would not offer it straight away unless asked for. Maybe, I would improve their page and delivery at the end of the project as a nice surprise. Just trying to avoid trouble.
  5. [quote=“Another_Designer,post:12,topic:94964”]
    Possible CMS. However, I can always include this later on if they want it. Of course I would have to charge for this. What do you think?
    [/quote]
    I would use WP or Joomla anyway. Probably WP because it is easier to integrate but, again, this is something that depends on their needs, and also on who will update the site and how often
  6. [quote=“Another_Designer,post:12,topic:94964”]
    Client would have to purchase stock photos. I could take the photos myself. However, I don’t know how photogenic the people there are. LOL I am a good photographer but I don’t have the proper lighting equipment to make good office shots.
    [/quote]
    Definately, you should get them… either you include a number of photos in your quote or specifically say that these costs is not included in your quote and will be a separate charge.
  • what is the goal of the page (maybe not with this words but basically what are their expectations): If it is something measurable such as 5,000 visits/month or selling 1,000 insurances per month, even better. Yet, if the target is too high, I would charge more to create a site that complies with those goals.

  • who are their competitiors and the urls of the sites, if they know them (you will need to study them and they know who is a direct competitior)

  • websites they like and why

  • websites they don’t like and why not (maybe these two questions should be sent by e-mail so they can show those sites to you and you can take notes. If you take them by surprise, people will go blank and say “right now, I can’t think of any site that I like/dislike”

  • when will it have to be delivered/live (remember to give you plenty of time, this is going to be tough and it is better that you deliver early than late)

  • who will be your contact and who will be making the decisions (you want to talk to the decision maker if possible because else you can be put on hold forever with “I need to talk to X and confirm before we go ahead with this”. But as a minimum you should have only one person to talk to)

Maybe for the next visit

  • when will you start and of course, when the content will be delivered to you!
  • payment options