WordPress v Joomla: The Winner

This entry is part 6 of 6 in the series WordPress v Joomla

WordPress v Joomla

We’ve made it! Over the past five weeks we have taken an in-depth look at the two most popular content management systems currently available. We have critically analyzed both WordPress and Joomla in a number of different departments. We have discovered the strengths and weaknesses of each system and figured out that neither one of them does everything perfectly.

Today, I’m going to summarise the conclusions we’ve reached each week in this series and provide some final thoughts on the CMS war.

Part 1: Introduction and Content Structures

In week one, I provided an introduction to each CMS and explained the current state of affairs. The conclusion reached was that WordPress is the most popular CMS if we go by current statistics, although Joomla is a couple of years younger than its counterpart.

We established that WordPress is slightly more user-friendly and entails less of a learning curve if you’re a web newbie.

I also suggested that WordPress may be your best choice if you’re starting a blog/content-driven site, whereas Joomla may be better for static or corporate sites and things like intranets, with eBay being a prime exponent of that.

Part 2: Templates and Themes

Week two’s discussion revolved around templating for WordPress & Joomla. We established that there is no real difference in difficulty levels when it comes to developing custom templates/themes for either system.  We also discussed the fact that WordPress themes are generally designed with a specific purpose in mind; usually content curation/blogging. Joomla templates seem to be designed to be a lot more versatile.

I feel that WordPress is more for minimalistic design, whereas Joomla offers quite a lot of versatility and freedom when it comes to design.

There is no clear winner here — if you find a template/theme that suits you, go for it. Design is subjective.

Part 3: Plugins, Extensions and Customization

In week 3 we talked about the sorts of extensions available for each CMS.

We discussed the fact that there is a different extension structure for each. Joomla’s structure is more intuitive than WordPress’ once you get the hang of it.

Again, it boils down to the purpose of your website. I’ve found that most WordPress plugins are developed specifically for blog-type websites, whereas Joomla extensions have a much wider variety. If you find the perfect extension to underpin the core functionality of your website, then you should probably be using whichever CMS that extension was developed for.

Part 4: Search Engine Optimization

In this analysis, we compared WordPress and Joomla in terms of SEO competence. There is no hiding from the fact that WordPress is substantially better for SEO than Joomla. While Joomla isn’t horrible in the SEO department, it can be a bit of a hassle to get 100% right.

WordPress’ real SEO power comes from the excellent array of plugins available to make your life easier. It is a definite winner here, but Joomla isn’t that bad that you should completely avoid it on the basis of SEO alone.

Part 5: Support and Community

In week 5 we found, somewhat surprisingly, that — in comparison with Joomla — WordPress lacks a lot of community-building initiative. Its website is bland (they might call it minimalistic) and seems to rest on the fact that WordPress is already the most popular CMS around.

Joomla, on the other hand, really is trying to foster its community. The website is really attractive and intuitive, it has a number of great initiatives on the go and its support forum is phenomenal.

And the Winner Is…

I have been contemplating this decision for a long time.  Not just while I’ve been writing this series, but for all the years I’ve been designing websites.

The truth is, I just can’t find enough evidence to conclusively name one CMS a comprehensive winner. I think that both systems are good for certain purposes and this thought seems to be reiterated every time I begin planning a site design. I never know as soon as I take on a client whether the site will be done in WordPress or Joomla — I have to take all the above factors into consideration (particularly the available extensions in relation to the purpose of the website) before I can make a decision.

The purpose of this series is to give you clear insight into the capabilities, advantages and drawbacks of each CMS. I would like you to walk away with enough insight and understanding to make a truly informed decision on what the best CMS for your website is.

As a general rule of thumb, when I’m developing a site that relies heavily on content — something like a blog/content curation website or a news website — I will generally look to WordPress. For just about everything else (usually more complex sites) I tend to use Joomla.

I guess this matches the purpose of WordPress, which is to provide a platform for the easy publishing and distribution of content.

Whichever CMS you decide to use, you are going to need to spend a bit of time learning the ins and outs of the system, especially if you’re going to attempt developing it yourself.  Yes, WordPress is a little more intuitive than Joomla, but the “complexity” of Joomla allows it to be a much more versatile system.

The fact is it comes down to personal preference. It’s a subjective decision and this is the reason why the WordPress v Joomla debate will continue. Decide which system suits your purpose and go for it.

Which CMS is your favourite? Why? If you have any questions or you think I’ve missed something important, please bring it up in the comments.  You can also connect with me on Facebook or Twitter — I love feedback!

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  • http://www.namhost.com RD

    ALMOST a good article. Come on man, one has to be better than the other… which one is it? gun against your head?

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      WordPress. ;) But only because it makes my life easier in the SEO department.

      If you tell my design team, they’ll kill me! :)

      Thanks for reading and commenting, RD.

      - Mark

      • http://mikecohenmedia.com Mike Cohen

        Mark – if you are having problems getting wordpress sites to look exactly like what your design team comes up with you need a better programmer, because I can’t see any possible scenario where Joomla provides more design flexibility than wordPress! Thanks for the article, I disagree with most of it, but nice work putting it out there!

  • Eliza

    “As a general rule of thumb, when I’m developing a site that relies heavily on content — something like a blog/content curation website or a news website — I will generally look to WordPress. For just about everything else (usually more complex sites) I tend to use Joomla.”

    - You nailed it. Both are my favorite CMS, and are excellent choices for the purpose each one is suited for.

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      Thanks you Eliza. Appreciate the comment. :)

  • http://www.businezspotter.com Martin Neethling

    Well written Mark !

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      Thanks, Martin!

  • Adam

    And the winner is: DRUPAL.

  • http://twitter.com/iCosmin Cosmin

    Coming from someone with a portfolio that is over 90% made up of Joomla sites, I’d say this is legit.

    P.S.: point 5 is ridiculous, to say the least.

    P.P.S.: SitePoint, this is rather disappointing subjectivity…

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      Thanks for reading and commenting, Cosmin.

      While I don’t think you can quite possibly be commenting objectively seeing as you are a self-proclaimed “WordPress Designer”, your comments (here and on Twitter) are factually incorrect.

      Over the past couple months 80-90% of the sites we have designed are actually WordPress-based. Our overall portfolio (the one you see on the website) would actually be closer to 50/50. In fact, I usually ask for WordPress because I’m in charge of a lot of the SEO work.

      While you may subjectively think my article/series is subjective, I feel that I have been as objective as possible (with one or two erroneous statements along the way, admittedly) and my feeling is that it’s only WordPress fan boys (like yourself) who take offense to the negative points I’ve highlighted about WordPress.

      If you have had different experiences to my own, you’re perfectly entitled to your opinion, but just because you don’t like mine doesn’t mean it’s wrong. :)

      Thanks again, mate.

      Cheers
      Mark

  • Ady G

    This debate can get even murkier when you include Drupal.

    Having investigated a number of CMS systems such as phpNuke, Drupal, Joomla, WordPress and so on, I have had mixed results and feelings about them all.

    My first encounters with Drupal were very negative, Joomla felt too complex in its methods of
    management and WordPress slipped easily into thought processes.

    Now over time, I’ve found that Drupal and WordPress are my go to CMS based around PHP. Both have their positives and negatives, but as you said, that will be the case.

    My personal feeling is that anyone who is trying to make a decision, the best method is to get each of the competing systems that you are interested in, write out a list of features and so on you need, and then prioritise them in must have, could have, nice to have. Tick off the features for each one of the systems, then test out the top two and see how they feel. Come to a decision using both methods.

    Anyhow, that’s my lil thoughts on this one.

  • Tim

    “I feel that WordPress is more for minimalistic design, whereas Joomla offers quite a lot of versatility and freedom when it comes to design.”

    You really haven’t seen many WordPress sites have you?

    • http://mikecohenmedia.com Mike Cohen

      Tim – totally agree with you, what you can do with WP is limitless in terms of design. Way harder to theme Joomla in my view.

  • http://Www.aestheticdesign.com Matt

    “Joomla’s structure is more intuitive than WordPress’ once you get the hang of it.”

    If it’s intuitive, you shouldn’t have to get the hang of it.

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      You’ve got to get the hang of WordPress too. ;)

  • Gustavo

    WordPress wins with ease of use and installation. Joomla wins with its ecosystem of developers, development framework, setting and configuration almost endless, ACL lists. Conclusion: WordPress is a winner on the blog and Joomla is a winner in the CMS.

  • Manfred

    My favourite cms is MODX. I like to build my websites with clean html/css, and not cluttered with silly spans, divs and lots of css files. There are no themes/templates and other senseless stuff. You can do all what you want, no compromises. MODX doesn’t generate any html without your control. MODX is perfect for experienced webworkers, who know about the basics in html, css, semantics etc.
    Imho all the other cms are more website-building services ala “click here, click there, use a lot of plugins, ready is your page (with very poor code)”.

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      Thanks for reading and commenting, Manfred.

      I do plan to take an in-depth look at MODX quite soon. Often, though, the end user doesn’t have the technical expertise to handle systems that aren’t like WordPress and Joomla. Hence this series. ;)

      - Mark

    • Halfnium

      Manfred has it exactly right. However, he doesn’t mention MODX’s incredibly flexible templating system, which can absorb a static site with very little work. This allows building or buying a beautiful standard HTML / CSS design and then populating it with massively expandable content. Neither Joomla! nor WordPress support that.

      You are probably reading this article and accompanying comments because you are thinking about diving into CMS. Good idea, because handling the navigation for a site of more than four pages is alone enough reason to ALWAYS use a CMS. Additional CMS advantages are cumulative gravy!

      Before you dive in, do this: Extensively Google the CMS topic to learn what is and what is not TRUE, not just what is and is not POPULAR. You owe it to yourself to do this, because you are about to make an investment in a deep “philosophy” of Web site design, no matter which CMS you choose. You can’t afford to make more than three such intellectual investments, and best if you only made one and stuck with it, wouldn’t you agree?

  • Rob Adams

    I can’t agree with you more; I use both, depending on what the primary use of the website will be. Generally, I will use WordPress for sites that require heavy blogging, as most of the blogging solutions I have found for Joomla haven’t been nearly as powerful as WP’s. However, if blogging is a minimal (or unnecessary) pert of a website, I tend to opt for Joomla.

    That said, I haven’t really looked at any of the other CMS/Blogging platforms out there (Blogger, Drupal, etc.), so I can’t comment on those.

    This was a great and informative series or articles–thanks!

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      Thanks so much, Rob!

  • Amos

    I like both WordPress and Joomla but DRUPAL is my favourite.

  • Bas

    And the winner is… Drupal!

    • http://www.lunadesign.org awasson

      Hell’s yeah!

      I was just going to write that when I came across your comment!

    • http://designworksinternet.com/ IKraus

      Drupal is the clear winner in my book too, simply because of security concerns. I stopped suggesting WordPress to anyone a while back as NOT ONE of my customers for whom I’ve setup such a site pay me to do their updates (after their initial maintenance cycle expires). Then they start yelling at ME because their website’s won’t work right when its their own bloody fault… OIE!

  • Antti

    My absolute favorite is processwire. If someone is looking for simple and fast, but still powerful cms/f, then give processwire a go: http://www.processwire.com

    • http://blog.mindplay.dk Rasmus Schultz

      I second that notion! ProcessWire will make you wonder why you ever bothered struggling to drag WordPress, Joomla or Drupal, kicking and screaming, through a few simple front-end tweaks. Hands off my front-end, CMS! It’s so liberating and so much more productive – and it’s so satisfying to answer every front-end request from the client with “sure, no problem!” :-)

    • Robert

      Antti : “My absolute favorite is processwire.”
      I’m not surprised. It’s you who wrote most of its plug-ins/modules, are credited at their wikipedia page, are a mod at their forums, are …
      Nothing wrong with that though. Just not surprised about your comment.
      I just wish it was light enough for an (almost) static content site. When each page gets updated 1 -4 times a year with 1 – 5 lines.
      For static sites, I always end up with Ruby cr,p like OctoPress, Middleman, etc. Djeez, installing Ruby just to compile some static HTML pages.
      I’m going off-topic. Ssssshhh!

      • Gil

        What surprises me is that devs are still using or talking about things like Joomla and WP when there are tools out there like ProcessWire.

  • http://Efren-martinez.pro Efren martinez

    Id been used wordpress for a lot of time, and now everytime that i HAVE to redesing or just change somethings on joomla… I have a very bad time xD hahaha, and i think that its just Matters of your habits, for me its really a headatche, but maybe for some ” joomler” its the same thing with wordpress… Im just talking, you know my opinion.

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      Thanks for reading and commenting, Efren. :)

      Everybody has their own preferences and if WordPress gives you less headaches, go for it!

      Cheers,
      Mark

  • DFaria

    Why title your article … The Winner!??? Basically a bait and switch title. Try something more honest like ” WordPress vs Joomla vs ModX: The Winner is ModX!”

  • http://baffleinc.com/ Harley

    lolololol. I can’t believe it’s a question! WordPress! for sure. Anybody can tell you that ;)

    Joomlah = enterprise
    WordPress = everyone else

  • http://www.caunoithanhcong.com/ TQL

    WordPress. But I prefer joomla. WP only for seo website. But I still prefer to code.Check out my website here http://www.caunoithanhcong.com/

  • Tori L

    great article! thanks :)
    I also like http://www.exai.com... it’s a new CMS that is intuitive and easy to use

  • http://mikecohenmedia.com Mike Cohen

    I would never again use Joomla for anything. It is bloated, confusing, inconsistent and the modules/components are very much the same. I won’t even get into versions.

    WordPress is so easily extended to do nearly anything you want much easier than Joomla. There are scenarios where I do not recommend WordPress and when that comes in Drupal is the answer. These include complex user permission/role requirements and integrated e-commerce.

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      It’s interesting you should say that, Mike. When was the last time you developed a Joomla site?

      The CMS I use is really dependent on the individual needs of a project and, as such, I have found that we use WordPress and Joomla equally as much. Between the two, I have never found the need to venture elsewhere, particularly to Drupal.

      Joomla really handles user permission/control very well in 2.5+. On the e-commerce side, I used to be a Virtuemart fan, but V2 has really given us a complete headache. Recently we’ve been building a number of e-commerce sites using WooCommerce for WordPress, which I must say is absolutely brilliant. (Despite the fact that the price of some of the extensions is daylight robbery)

      Thanks for reading and commenting, Mike.

      - Mark

  • http://www.walkerinteractive.com Lauren Walker

    From our perspective, we like what Joomla can do. From the perspective of handing the keys to our clients, the learning curve on WordPress is a fraction of Joomla. But this whole series has given me great talking points in educating our clients. And knowing is half the battle! Thanks for the articles.

  • http://www.thebradyreport.com Dean

    For years I was a Mambo (then Joomla) junkie. But I found it to be “heavy” and lacked a lot of the auto-update features of WordPress so I switched. I have recently updated a number of my Joomla 1.5 sites to 2.x and have to say that your “tie” is spot on. I use Joomla for community sites and sites that need more flexibility. When I need to put up a simple corporate (small biz) site, I find a template and WordPress has me up and running in no time.

    I’ve played with ModX, Concrete, Drupal and others but the communities around Joomla and the vast number of plugins/developers for WordPress will keep them in the lead for some time.

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      Thanks so much Dean.

      Totally agree with you. :)

  • http://icedesign.co.za Tony

    :)

    This is the only way you could have ended the series – thanks for enlightening, and entertaining reading Mark.

    Any result favouring one over the other would have triggered a mass of responses that would have caused the Sitepoint servers to melt-down.

    With that out of the way, I want to commend you on being sufficiently open minded to be able to embrace WordPress – I recall a comment some time back on another forum, in which you stoutly defended Joomla against WordPress.

    Once again, thanks!

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      Thanks for the very complimentary comment, Tony. :)

      I really enjoyed writing this series so I’m glad you enjoyed reading it.

      I see you’re from SA, so you must be referring to TFSA, where I’m reasonably active. I do recall defending Joomla, but that was probably because I’m stubborn and don’t agree with the way in which many WordPress fans parade around declaring WordPress to be the be-all and end-all of CMSs. ;)

      I believe one should use whichever tool is the best for the job.

      Thanks again.

      - Mark

  • Alex

    I’ve been using WordPress and it’s EXTREMELY powerful in the right hands. It’s just a housing for PHP and if you know some awesome ‘secrets’ like using transients and WP-Cron – you can built substantially more complex websites. Even ones integrated with Touch Screen booths for hair stylists – who ONLY post their photos to Pinterest to build the content for their website. <- Real Example

  • http://otakuplayground.com Amy

    Between wordpress and joomla I would say wordpress. I tried both and I could only get wordpress to do what I wanted. However at the time which was a year or more ago the site kept being considered a blog by visitors and no matter what I did I could not get it to not look like a blog. So I eventually gave up and am now using ip.content for the same purpose. Ip.content pretty much has the same features I needed in wordpress with out visitors mistaking the site for a blog. IP.content is not free and is an add on for ipb so ipb is needed which also is not free.

  • Alex F

    I have really enjoyed reading this series and learning more about the differences in these two CMS’s. Thanks for writing it and sharing your view points!

  • http://www.webwork-solutions.de Jochen Kohler

    My winner is WordPress!
    Even for business sites! You can solve any challenges with WP.
    Plugin development is much easier and faster.
    many people think WP is just a blogging system!
    But that´s absolut not me opinion!

    For really bigger sites might Drupal or typo3 the better choice. But compared to Joomla – WordPress is the winner!

  • http://www.reactivedesigns.net Jeff Boulton

    I use Joomla as my main CMS – from small to large websites. I have just recently started working with WordPress and it seems to be great as well. For SEO I have had a great experience with Joomla 2.5 – SEF URL’s, global meta info, individual page meta info. IMHO is about content architecture and key word analysis which is a skill – not really inherent in a cms.

  • http://www.cheerxplosion.com wildblue

    WordPress is much better when it comes to SEO

  • Kelly

    WordPress!

  • http://www.yoyocms.co.nz Nigel Wilson

    I once experienced Joomla and ran a mile.
    I have been using WordPress for the past 6 months and am comfortable with it and extending it (writing simple plugins, etc).
    However (dare I mention it) Umbraco CMS is my favourite. It’s on the dark side (not php based) but the framework is brilliantly flexible, the admin UI is far superior in my mind to both WordPress and Joomla and for me the biggest thing is that you only get out what you put in – there is no bloated code.
    If people are considering a CMS, are not committed to a particular language then I suggest to take a look at Umbraco.

    • Robert

      Just adding : Umbraco CMS = ASP.NET, Windows server

  • asasdk

    No one mentioned Typo3…

  • Omo

    Thanks for an amazing thought provoking series Mark! I think what it highlights along with many of the comments here, is with so many great opensource content management systems we’re really spoilt for choice.

    How about a comparison of opensource shopping carts and I’d love to see a survey/article on emerging content management systems such as concrete5. What does everyone use when they’re not using one of the “big three” and why?

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      Thanks once again for a really flattering comment, Omo. :)

      Perhaps once I’m able to research those systems and play around a bit I’ll be able to put something out. Unfortunately I don’t have nearly enough experience with them just yet to provide an expert opinion.

      I do plan on doing a WordPress vs Joomla e-commerce battle soon, with the two main contenders being WooCommerce and Virtuemart. If I get to play around with Magento before then, I might throw that into the mix too.

      Thanks again!

      Cheers
      Mark

  • http://www.najeebmedia.com Najeeb

    WordPress such a great CMS, which provide great platform for developer to do poetry with code and let site owner sing with THousands of themes and plugins.

  • Robert

    WordPress. Potentially more clients. But I love Joomla also. I just not get a lot of OK’s for it.
    And boy, some of these WP clients make a mess out of their site. After roll-out they start installing all sorts of plug-ins and what not. And then whine about broken stuff and/or slowness.
    Some even try to cover up first, by uninstalling plug-ins (to avoid a charge if it’s caused by themselves). But their database or folders are mostly still littered with traces of the uninstalled plugins.
    Might be the same with Joomla clients though. I just not have that many, and those do not install anything without shooting an email to me first. Like it’s written in the roll-out cover letter.

  • Tiffany

    I think you are forgetting the most important subject of all THE CLIENT!! my choice is guided by my clients knowledge, level of technical know how and the ability to learn. At the end of the day I have to hand over a website that my clients need to be able to manage, update and maintain. At the moment that’s WordPress but not without flaws. Security and constant updates are frustrating but at least my clients can manage to update their page content easily enough.
    I also like using PulseCMS for the real newbies.

  • http://timr.ca Michael Regan

    Nice article.

    However, I didn’t see anything that would make me take another look at Joomla. And, Modx is actually better at SEO than WordPress, although I like WordPress better for blogs. So, I will stick with what I know.

    Just to follow up on your reply to @Manfred’s comment. There are a number of local web designers that have created great Modx sites just using the Modx addons. Like most addons/plugins the ones by the development team are very stable.

    The one thing you didn’t mention in the review was the managment system. Modx has the best I have ever seen, better than most commercial systems. In most cases, our clients have been able to manage their sites with just a few hours training.

  • http://low.li Chris Sparnicht

    The only reason I can guess you wouldn’t name a winner is that you (or your editor at Sitepoint) is concerned that damage to the loser’s reputation could hamper future development and growth for the loser. I’m not sure whether to admire your restraint of the use of power or be disappointed that you didn’t actually name a winner. You seem to prefer WordPress from your replies to the comments. I doubt WordPress would suffer more than a blip from a bad Sitepoint review, so I can only guess Joomla would have lost this round.

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      Quite the contrary, Chris. I simply do not really have an out-and-out favorite. :) I prefer each system in certain circumstances, but neither for every circumstance.

      My intent was not to advocate nor condemn either system. I simply wanted to inform users and potential users to help them make a more educated decision when it comes to choosing a CMS.

      Thanks for reading and commenting.

      Cheers
      Mark

  • http://www.salyris.com Sean Cook

    Joomla 3.0 will make WordPress users take another look:
    http://www.ostraining.com/blog/joomla/10-joomla-3/

    • http://redgiantdesign.co.za Mark Atkinson

      Have to agree here, Sean.

      It’s going to be a major highlight in the CMS game, I feel.

      • http://hemalshah.net Hemal

        It’s been long time coming. I hope Joomla catches up with WordPress on usability….

  • http://www.wordpressguru.com.au Wordpress Developer

    I personally like WordPress, easy to handover to client and easy to use.

  • http://www.stickytoffee.co.uk Dennis

    When it comes down to a choice between WordPress & Joomla I’d choose ModX, especially for small to medium sized websites where I don’t want to spend too much time chopping up designs and putting the various bits & pieces in folders & files (WP), or working out the locations and structure of various complex tags (J) – with ModX I design the page add a few very simple tags and copy and paste the single page of code and upload the graphics and images – then I set up a management file that prevents the client from seeing or doing anything they don’t need to touch, then we spend 15-20 minutes showing the client what to do.
    If we have a project that involves a lot of users who need to login and edit sections, pages etc. and has a large worldwide membership with Facebook-like contact details plus a section that sells product and requires subscriptions etc. etc. then it’s got to be Joomla.
    If we have a job for a client that hasn’t got a clue what they’re doing and won’t be bothered that we’ve made minor alterations to a theme we’ve found on the internet then we’ll do what everyone else does and supply them with WordPress.
    Horses for courses – you have to decide what will suit the job and the client best, and to that end we will not lock ourselves into a box and stick with the same CMS for the rest of our lives, we’ll take a risk, we get out there and have a look at what else is available, just ‘cos something is popular doesn’t make it the best – VHS was popular, Beta was better, Justin Bieber is popular…

  • Nico van de Kamp

    I think the conclusion is correct.
    I’ve first learned Joomla and then WordPress althoug I’m still not convinced if wordpress is a CMS system while everybody is saying that.

    From the designing point of view I like more Joomla. You have only one php file and you can add joomla module-positions, desiging with css quit easy. You can simply add module to this module positions.
    Wordpress you have all kind of different files index.php, header.php etc. which are more or less dedicated to posts. Sometimes the start of one div is in the header and ends in the footer.php.
    For example I have now a template without a menu. I want to add a menu, then I have to find out in which file to add etc.

    Sometimes I’m looking for designs/templates. What I mostly see is very ‘crowded’, busy designs. With a lot blinking and al kind of module’s on it. But ok, that is maybe personally.

    WordPress is better with SEO, but Joomla has I think a good plugin sh404SEF.

    If you compare the org site’s/forums, then for me the joomla I can find it easier then on the WordPress site/forum.

    although there plugins what I miss in both environments is anti-spamming things or I don’t understand it. I don’t if it is possible but to integrate in the contact form for example not a captcha, but that the spam rubish is blocked. So far as I know I’m missing this and installing a captcha.

  • http://hemalshah.net Hemal

    It’s been more than a year since I have worked on Joomla. But based on my experience, it’s complex to begin with. WordPress, it’s easier to upgrade while Joomla isn’t. I have had situations where my clients had to rely heavily on me to update their content on Joomla sites. After having read all comments here, there is no clear winner as you have rightly said. I have not found most of WordPress based sites look like blog either. In my opinion, it’s the way you see. If people use themes for blogs and tweak it for a website, they need to be careful about their approach to design than thinking that WordPress is only good for Blogs, a blogging engine trying hard to be a CMS. Beauty of WordPress (which I like) is you can have both going for you simultaneously.

  • http://www.catchlight.co.nz Brockdin Barr

    What about the underlying code and it’s security. Shouldn’t that be a factor?

  • http://www.latitudweb.com César Revert-Gomar

    As website developer, I started specializing on the most versatile CMS around (from my point of view, it was Joomla!). Some years later, this point still looks the same: by using Joomla! you can easily build anything; and nearly everything you could need in Joomla! has probably been built before.

    You can also perform fantastic SEO with Joomla!, with tons of professional tools to ease your work and evaluate your performance.

    So my advice would be, if you need to specialize in just one CMS that allows you to build anything, then go for Joomla!. You’ll sure be able to achieve whatever your customers could ask.

  • http://mb3.ir m.bakhtiari

    hi
    Both Joomla and WordPress templates WordPress templates are nice, but the structure remains the same html

    I agree completely / / to get the WordPress SEO Joomla extensions should be used / /

    Currently the number of extensions that Joomla CMS is king.

    WordPress for great things, and no good purpose

    Joomla sites all purpose
    But there’s WordPress Blog site
    The fix is Joomla with Drupal
    Should be compared with Movable Type and WordPress

    Thanks

  • Jurgen

    WebsiteBaker is far superior with respect to usability and flexibility, compared to WordPress let alone Joomla. It has its weaknesses, for example it lacks in the blogging department and rights management, but for those typical small to midsized semi-static sites that make up most of the portfolio of local webdesign businesses, it’s near perfect. Templates are basically regular HTML/CSS/JS with some added PHP calls, so any custom or standard HTML template will do as a basis. That’s why there aren’t any professional WebsiteBaker templates/themes: it’s just not neccessary to create special WB templates.

  • Roy

    Really doesn’t matter what I think, as to what my clients think that really matter. I have had a few people come to me and ask to move their Joomla site to WordPress, haven’t had a one ask to move a WordPress site to Joomla.

    Also on the server side of things, both Joomla and WordPress work great in the Linux environment. However after several years of working with both sites relating to servers and how the two CMS’s function in the Linux environment I give the edge to WordPress, seems to be a lot more forgiving as Joomla can be very “fickle” at times.

    But at the end of the day the end user who has a business to run and doesn’t want to become a webmaster, designer nor server admin amateur, all they want is to get in make a few changes to their business web site and get out so they can run their business. And from all feedback I have received from owners of both CMS’s WordPress wins hands down from what I hear from my clients.

  • http://www.customfitonline.com Roy McClean

    I get the tone of this article that WordPress and Joomla are the best (or among the best) content management systems in the word. And that may or may not be the case. They are both clearly quality CMS platforms with specific pros and cons.

    But often it’s about how they are used and set up.

    We work with Umbraco, a .NET open source CMS. Umbraco isn’t nearly well known and we have had perspective clients shy away from using this just because they have never heard of it.

    We fell into using Umbraco because a developer that we hired used it for the first CMS driven website we ever built many years ago. We now have developed over 100 sites using Umbraco. We have devoted several years of customization including the addition all sorts of bullet-proof “plug-ins’ and extras.This includes ecommerce, file management, etc. We have and tweaked it to the needs of our clients and I would be willing to compare the package we have in place now for ease of use and robustness with any CMS.

    So Umbraco is the best? Well, not necessarily. But we’ve become pretty good at working with this CMS and the final product is very good. There are other developers whom have done the same thing with their CMS platform(s) of choice.

    So what’s my point? It’s not just the CMS. It’s the quality of the people selecting the CMS to meet the needs of the client, the ability to select or custom build plug-ins, modules, etc and other factors such as the quality of hosting, etc etc.

    There are many good content management systems out there. Don’t forget the quality of the team putting it together, training the client, providing support, etc and the quality of the hosting. In my opinion that’s just as or more important as the actual CMS platform.

    P.S. We wrote a blog post about this a little while back…. http://www.customfitonline.com/news/2012/8/3/debunking-the-cms-myth/

  • Nico van de Kamp

    Hello,

    So as I have already earlier mentioned I’m agree with the result. There are a lot of people saying that WordPress is the CMS system. Maybe Iit is due that I don’t understand WordPress but for me wordpress is still less intuitively. Now again I have a theme wihtout a menu. Ok that is maybe the first mistake what I have made. I have two pages, one is my resume and one is the contact page (contactform 7). For me it is strange that if I look on my domain I see both pages as a blog under each other…? This is not what expected. I’ve been searching for a switch but now I think there is something in the template show_pages(). In the way I think is this very difficult to understand. If this should happen with post then it was better to understand for me.

    What for me also is not intuitively screen options at the top. I would add comments only on one specific page. I have been looking on the page it self, setting etc. I’ve been on the screenoptions at the top when I was on the main dashboard, but later on not anymore….

    Another thing what I’m missing in wordpress is to switch the site offline for maintainance. Maybe there is plugin for, but for me this should be standard configurable.

  • http://masterwoodcarver.com Shane

    Thanks Mark, for your excellent article. It was well thought out, written well, and easy to read. I’ve been debating on which to use for my website WordPress/Joomla. After reading your article I feel I can stop researching the issue and move on. You saved me a bunch of time and I appreciate it. Cheers

  • http://www.nwidesigns.com Kevin Morrison

    It goes without saying (What is the definition of “Content Management”?). If it is the ability to control content effectively and logically then it is safe to say that WordPress should not even be classed as a CMS. I mean really if we can say WP is a CMS then so is Microsoft Word. You say that WP is easier for newbs, that would suggest that it is easier for those who are clueless to web design and would not know the difference between a and a tag, or that html and css are two completely different things. So I guess if you are in need of a website and don’t want to hire a professional WP is a likely fit. If however you want a site that can easily grow with your needs and you are not afraid to learn something and not have to hack your way out of whatever mess you get into then hands down Joomla trumps WP without breaking a sweat!