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> <channel><title>Comments on: Opera: Just 4.13% of Web&#8217;s Code is Valid</title> <atom:link href="http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/</link> <description>Learn CSS &#124; HTML5 &#124; JavaScript &#124; Wordpress &#124; Tutorials-Web Development &#124; Reference &#124; Books and More</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 20:55:10 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator> <item><title>By: yman</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-823164</link> <dc:creator>yman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:06:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-823164</guid> <description><![CDATA[Tabbed browsing, Quick Find, fraud protection, saved sessions, Speed Dial, notes and the trash make from Opera Browser, a browser more better than it was. Significant speed allow you to spend more time online. I installed it, it works very well and i got it from here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rosoftdownload.com/download/Windows/Opera-Browser&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Opera Browser&lt;/a&gt;]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tabbed browsing, Quick Find, fraud protection, saved sessions, Speed Dial, notes and the trash make from Opera Browser, a browser more better than it was. Significant speed allow you to spend more time online. I installed it, it works very well and i got it from here: <a
href="http://www.rosoftdownload.com/download/Windows/Opera-Browser" rel="nofollow">Opera Browser</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Srirangan</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-814957</link> <dc:creator>Srirangan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:50:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-814957</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Except for us iCAB users. 8^)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yepp.. All 8 of you.. :P :)]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Except for us iCAB users. 8^)</p></blockquote><p>Yepp.. All 8 of you.. :P :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-814919</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:41:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-814919</guid> <description><![CDATA[I use iCAB as a browser. It is relative to this thread because iCAB has a little smiley in the bottom row that scowls whenever it shows a page which does not validate. A click will pop up a list of all the errors. Is that neat or what?  Handy too!
Now I realize that iCAB is a Macintosh only product and that Kevin never recognizes it in his epistles. However it is a very competent little browser and wll parse just about everything. It worked on the
Acid Test  from the start.  Very laudable from a shop which is essentially a one man operation.
Why should you validate? Because it makes your client appear to be lazy and sloppy if you do not.  Of course who&#039;s going to know? No one is going to read your source code.
Except for us iCAB users.  8^)]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use iCAB as a browser. It is relative to this thread because iCAB has a little smiley in the bottom row that scowls whenever it shows a page which does not validate. A click will pop up a list of all the errors. Is that neat or what?  Handy too!</p><p>Now I realize that iCAB is a Macintosh only product and that Kevin never recognizes it in his epistles. However it is a very competent little browser and wll parse just about everything. It worked on the<br
/> Acid Test  from the start.  Very laudable from a shop which is essentially a one man operation.</p><p>Why should you validate? Because it makes your client appear to be lazy and sloppy if you do not.  Of course who&#8217;s going to know? No one is going to read your source code.</p><p>Except for us iCAB users.  8^)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SimonPhoto</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-814239</link> <dc:creator>SimonPhoto</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:22:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-814239</guid> <description><![CDATA[&quot;..It doesn’t matter if your page isn’t 100% XHTML 1.0 Strict valid..&quot;
Oh, yes, it does.  XHTML, if served properly, will give nothing but an error if there is a single error in the markup.  XHTML is an XML-based language, and therefore must be well-formed.  HTML is SGML-based, and gives you much more leeway.
That said, most of my pages don&#039;t validate via the W3C.  I follow the standards though, to the point where it is practical.  In many cases, you have a choice: meeting your client&#039;s expectations, providing unfettered access to all users, and following the standards.  Choose two.
Sorry guys, but strictly following standards is not a must-have.  Its a nice-to-have.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..It doesn’t matter if your page isn’t 100% XHTML 1.0 Strict valid..&#8221;</p><p>Oh, yes, it does.  XHTML, if served properly, will give nothing but an error if there is a single error in the markup.  XHTML is an XML-based language, and therefore must be well-formed.  HTML is SGML-based, and gives you much more leeway.</p><p>That said, most of my pages don&#8217;t validate via the W3C.  I follow the standards though, to the point where it is practical.  In many cases, you have a choice: meeting your client&#8217;s expectations, providing unfettered access to all users, and following the standards.  Choose two.</p><p>Sorry guys, but strictly following standards is not a must-have.  Its a nice-to-have.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: topdown</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-813924</link> <dc:creator>topdown</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:43:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-813924</guid> <description><![CDATA[What it comes down to is if your not going to use the tools set out for you, and check your work, then it&#039;s your own fault when a customer complains about display issues in a particular browser. IE is no exception, and your code should not need hacks, you should just understand the needed CSS for the particular browser to display the page properly.
If you are going to call your self a developer and develop web pages, you need to know your field and the software the consumers will use to view it.
There is simply no reason for bad or non valid code !]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What it comes down to is if your not going to use the tools set out for you, and check your work, then it&#8217;s your own fault when a customer complains about display issues in a particular browser. IE is no exception, and your code should not need hacks, you should just understand the needed CSS for the particular browser to display the page properly.</p><p>If you are going to call your self a developer and develop web pages, you need to know your field and the software the consumers will use to view it.</p><p>There is simply no reason for bad or non valid code !</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shadow Caster</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-813900</link> <dc:creator>Shadow Caster</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:35:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-813900</guid> <description><![CDATA[I think perfectionists are the sort of people who really stress on validation of all their pages. In terms of how a search engine looks at it, it &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t matter&lt;/em&gt; if your page isn&#039;t 100% XHTML 1.0 Strict valid - it won&#039;t mark it down so SEO is unaffected. One of the few reasons why they &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; make it valid is so that it looks and behaves correctly in the 4 major browsers, but quite often it doesn&#039;t even if it is valid and we have to employ little tweaks.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think perfectionists are the sort of people who really stress on validation of all their pages. In terms of how a search engine looks at it, it <em>doesn&#8217;t matter</em> if your page isn&#8217;t 100% XHTML 1.0 Strict valid &#8211; it won&#8217;t mark it down so SEO is unaffected. One of the few reasons why they <em>should</em> make it valid is so that it looks and behaves correctly in the 4 major browsers, but quite often it doesn&#8217;t even if it is valid and we have to employ little tweaks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Antz</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-813298</link> <dc:creator>Antz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:37:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-813298</guid> <description><![CDATA[What a thing to wish for Alex, browsers &lt;strike&gt;supporting&lt;/strike&gt; enforcing standards! It would certainly be valuable to assist certain developers who have not yet learned a correct way to code, and could possibly be our opportunity to ditch non-compliant browsers such as IE6.
True enough, there will need to be an ability for browser manufacturers to register their proprietary commands to avoid such errors.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a thing to wish for Alex, browsers <strike>supporting</strike> enforcing standards! It would certainly be valuable to assist certain developers who have not yet learned a correct way to code, and could possibly be our opportunity to ditch non-compliant browsers such as IE6.</p><p>True enough, there will need to be an ability for browser manufacturers to register their proprietary commands to avoid such errors.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SonFishDesign.com</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-813238</link> <dc:creator>SonFishDesign.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:44:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-813238</guid> <description><![CDATA[This site has 5 errors in the html but validates css 2.1]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site has 5 errors in the html but validates css 2.1</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SonFishDesign.com</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-813226</link> <dc:creator>SonFishDesign.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:34:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-813226</guid> <description><![CDATA[My last client page leans heavily on CSS. The whole page is complient except for the -moz-box-sizing hack. Enough said.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last client page leans heavily on CSS. The whole page is complient except for the -moz-box-sizing hack. Enough said.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Srirangan</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-813217</link> <dc:creator>Srirangan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:12:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-813217</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the developers need to all agree on one standard and stop with all the proprietory browsers&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Let&#039;s stop pretending that developers actually have a choice here. Standards are all good, but in the end usability counts. Which usually means different hacks for different browsers. :-/]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think the developers need to all agree on one standard and stop with all the proprietory browsers</p></blockquote><p>Let&#8217;s stop pretending that developers actually have a choice here. Standards are all good, but in the end usability counts. Which usually means different hacks for different browsers. :-/</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bsmbahamas</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-813214</link> <dc:creator>bsmbahamas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:04:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-813214</guid> <description><![CDATA[virtually every piece of code has startign and ending tags or valid syntax, but if you ignore the syntax or worse yet the browsers don&#039;t punish developers that ignore standard syntax valid sites will always be an illusion.
I think the developers need to all agree on one standard and stop with all the proprietory browsers, each works differently, and nobody has the time to learn to code for several platforms, our code need to be compact and portable - not a hundred lines long to detect the browser and environment and then adapt before it executes the meat of the code.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>virtually every piece of code has startign and ending tags or valid syntax, but if you ignore the syntax or worse yet the browsers don&#8217;t punish developers that ignore standard syntax valid sites will always be an illusion.</p><p>I think the developers need to all agree on one standard and stop with all the proprietory browsers, each works differently, and nobody has the time to learn to code for several platforms, our code need to be compact and portable &#8211; not a hundred lines long to detect the browser and environment and then adapt before it executes the meat of the code.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bsmbahamas</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-813209</link> <dc:creator>bsmbahamas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:59:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-813209</guid> <description><![CDATA[I think webdevelopers are caught in a catch 22, because the browser developers all try to be unique and better but all they do i cause us to have to write code for more environments.
We seriously need standards laid out for the average programmer to understand the WC3 reads like vcr instructions in my opinion, and at the same time we need browsers that will obey the standards and i hate to say it - block sites that are broken, but provide &#039;plain english&#039; error reporting so they can be fixed easily.
until then i&#039;ll write halfway pages because it takes forever to learn code for 7 browsers.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think webdevelopers are caught in a catch 22, because the browser developers all try to be unique and better but all they do i cause us to have to write code for more environments.</p><p>We seriously need standards laid out for the average programmer to understand the WC3 reads like vcr instructions in my opinion, and at the same time we need browsers that will obey the standards and i hate to say it &#8211; block sites that are broken, but provide &#8216;plain english&#8217; error reporting so they can be fixed easily.</p><p>until then i&#8217;ll write halfway pages because it takes forever to learn code for 7 browsers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Spheriod</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-813127</link> <dc:creator>Spheriod</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:52:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-813127</guid> <description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a novel thought: the &quot;standards&quot; that we have to use...HTML and CSS...need to be revamped. I can&#039;t tell you how many hours I spent looking for articles on line for free on how to get around all the mind boggling differences between Firefox and IE in their ways of attacking basic layout of DIVs.
Why doesn&#039;t someone develop a browser (or an add-on to a browser) that uses a NEW STANDARD? Why is the W3C the authority? Can&#039;t a community put something better to the fore? The HTML standards are OUT OF DATE.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a novel thought: the &#8220;standards&#8221; that we have to use&#8230;HTML and CSS&#8230;need to be revamped. I can&#8217;t tell you how many hours I spent looking for articles on line for free on how to get around all the mind boggling differences between Firefox and IE in their ways of attacking basic layout of DIVs.</p><p>Why doesn&#8217;t someone develop a browser (or an add-on to a browser) that uses a NEW STANDARD? Why is the W3C the authority? Can&#8217;t a community put something better to the fore? The HTML standards are OUT OF DATE.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim</title><link>http://www.sitepoint.com/opera-just-413-of-webs-code-is-valid/#comment-812627</link> <dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:05:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/?p=3102#comment-812627</guid> <description><![CDATA[What a great marketing tactic on the part of Opera. They are trying to be known as the most standards compliant browser. They produce a compelling report on validation and presto: we have a buzz, brand association, and character association to that brand.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great marketing tactic on the part of Opera. They are trying to be known as the most standards compliant browser. They produce a compelling report on validation and presto: we have a buzz, brand association, and character association to that brand.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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