Like Mozilla? What are you doing for Mozilla?

[redemption]

Mozilla users, fans, advocates - how do you promote Mozilla, or more specifically the various projects under it's umbrella like Firebird and Thunderbird?

Do you tell your friends? Preach Firebird goodness? ("XX browser sucks because it has terrible support for CSS2 and web standards", "Tabbed browsing!")

Put a Mozilla banner on your website?

How many Firebird, Thunderbird converts have you converted today?

PS. You might be interested in the Mozilla Links newsletter.

[TheOriginalH]

I've converted at least 5 to Firebird....would love to do more...

[i_like_php]

i hate to say this, i'm still going to use ie for my main browser simply because, a good majority of sites are better tailored to them.

now don't get me wrong i have netscape 7.1/mozilla and the improvements have made it a real close competitor for my browsing needs, yes it has more features and etc.. than ie but ie still wins with me.

please no bashing

[vgarcia]

I've converted a couple of people to Mozilla or Firebird, but more than that to Opera. I think the whole "nightly build" thing scares people off. Besides, it's been in my sig for like months now .

Originally Posted by redemption

Mozilla users, fans, advocates - how do you promote Mozilla, or more specifically the various projects under it's umbrella like Firebird and Thunderbird?

Do you tell your friends? Preach Firebird goodness? ("XX browser sucks because it has terrible support for CSS2 and web standards", "Tabbed browsing!")

Put a Mozilla banner on your website?

How many Firebird, Thunderbird converts have you converted today?

PS. You might be interested in the Mozilla Links newsletter.

[lieut_data]

After buggering around with IE or Outlook Express for long enough, I'm finally telling my customers (those calling me for Internet Technical Support) to switch to Mozilla (or Firebird).

Of course, I'm only sharing this with those I feel are technically inclined enough to install a second browser... I wouldn't want to make my job any harder

[Kings]

Originally Posted by vgarcia

I think the whole "nightly build" thing scares people off.

agreed, and I can't really introduce my friends to that. They're a bit 'n00by' when it comes to computers. They can handle the standard Microsoft things fine (e.g Windows, IE) but if anything's different, they won't have a clue what to do

I'm still trying to convert them (and others) to Firebird though. Mainly, because I think it's great

[Ingoal]

Well...0

But after weeks and months of hearing about Firebird, i'll give it at least a try (yes you heard right)...downloading it atm [ver0.61] as i write this here...i shall report back later...

Ingo

[aspen]

It amazes me when people say Moz has better CSS support.

Moz can't even support something as simple as a width and height attribute for text.... sometimes... Its very finicky. You have to use absolute positioning and even then it doesn't always work.

Of course IE isn't perfect either, but it does support height and width attributes for text.

[vgarcia]

Originally Posted by aspen

It amazes me when people say Moz has better CSS support.

Moz can't even support something as simple as a width and height attribute for text.... sometimes... Its very finicky. You have to use absolute positioning and even then it doesn't always work.

Of course IE isn't perfect either, but it does support height and width attributes for text.

Off Topic:

Height and width aren't really supposed to apply to INLINE elements (like <span>s). Set the text elements to "display: block;" and your widths/heights will magically work

[Ingoal]

Well...i gotta say: groovy little thing....!! Although the only thing that could really pull me to the Firebird-side is the tabbed browsing....

Although what is quite annoying: my scroll function doesn't work in Firebird [ibm thinkpad]

[Kings]

Originally Posted by Ingoal

Although what is quite annoying: my scroll function doesn't work in Firebird [ibm thinkpad]

Do you mean the thing where you click (the mousewheel) and you get a thing with two arrows and you can quickly move up and down? There's an extension for that.

[Ingoal]

Well that's the functionality i'm looking at, but not pressing the button and then having arrows appearing, but just working like that (works like that in all other programs): press down scroll-button, keep pressed down, pull down trackpoint...

alrighty though, i'll check out the download section.....

Edit:

SmoothWheel , AutoScroll

[Crazybanana]

well, I got 3 ppl to give mozilla a try, but their not using it as their main browser but I doesnt use it as my main browser myself so what can I say..

[platinum]

It's the best I will end my arguements there

[Ingoal]

Originally Posted by platinum

It's the best I will end my arguements there

/points to his problem some posts above

and so respectfully disagrees

[platinum]

My scrollwheel works fine? But if you mean the thing that happens when you middle click in internet explorer and it brings up that funky arrow??

[Ingoal]

Good for you, and nope i don't want the arrow...i hate that really, i just want the scroll-function to work, just the plain and simple scroll-function

Ah well....so no Firebird on my laptop....

[aspen]

Originally Posted by vgarcia

Off Topic:

Height and width aren't really supposed to apply to INLINE elements (like <span>s). Set the text elements to "display: block;" and your widths/heights will magically work

Thanks... problem fixed

But... what about the height issue too? Kevin covered it a couple issues ago in the tech times. IE mucks heights up too of course.

The height issue is one reason why I still use tables for layouts.

[Kings]

Originally Posted by aspen

Thanks... problem fixed

But... what about the height issue too? Kevin covered it a couple issues ago in the tech times. IE mucks heights up too of course.

The height issue is one reason why I still use tables for layouts.

I think you're talking about the 3 columns problem. That's just a flaw in CSS. CSS was never designed for columns.

[vgarcia]

Originally Posted by aspen

Thanks... problem fixed

But... what about the height issue too? Kevin covered it a couple issues ago in the tech times. IE mucks heights up too of course.

The height issue is one reason why I still use tables for layouts.

You can always use min-height, but the main problem with that is that IE/Windows doesn't support it.

[platinum]

Originally Posted by Ingoal

Good for you, and nope i don't want the arrow...i hate that really, i just want the scroll-function to work, just the plain and simple scroll-function

Ah well....so no Firebird on my laptop....

You're the computer guy, sure you can figure it out Are there special drivers you have installed or something? I just have a plain old optical intellimouse and yeah.

[Jeff Lange]

I hate tabbed browsing...

Firebird still owns though.

[platinum]

Originally Posted by vgarcia

You can always use min-height, but the main problem with that is that IE/Windows doesn't support it.

What I've done in the past, is set both (min-height last). Internet explorer lets div's expand past their "height" even if it's explicitly a certain height, and since min-height is after "hight" mozilla uses that instead Or have I missed what exactly the "height problem is"?

[Ingoal]

Originally Posted by platinum

You're the computer guy, sure you can figure it out Are there special drivers you have installed or something? I just have a plain old optical intellimouse and yeah.

Hehe...well, i guess it's the fact that it's my laptop we're talking about, and the scoll-button isn't recognized as the third mouse-button...so there's nothing to figure out really (installing other mouse drivers didn't change anything, so it's really )...

[aspen]

No I'm not talking about columns.

http://www.sitepoint.com/newsletter/...70&format=html

The problem is:

The left and right columns do their own thing in the height department. CSS provides no way to match the heights of the columns without setting a fixed height for all three -- rarely a feasible option!

This same thing happens in a two column design, not just a three column design.

Basically say you have a block that encases your two columns. You should be able to set the height of the columns to equal 100%, so 100% of the room the block gives them is used up. If one column uses up more than the default block height then it would naturally stretch the block, and since the block is now bigger the other column should stretch as well.

But that just doesn't work.

I don't know if it is because CSS is flawed, or if browsers are flawed, but I do know that this is the reason I don't use CSS for an entire layout.