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colinr · Apr 4, 2004, 15:21

i agree with gengar56 on his point, and furthermore, the situation already happens, most the time for the worse..
ex.
How many times have you miss-typed a domain and gotten a cheaply-made "search-engine" / spam site... and thats from user-error (mistyping).
I can only imaging the amount of people who will use the opening of new TLDs to piggy-back on the success and try to "extort" users from legit businesses to their own sites.

We have seen this same kind of behavoir in the mimicing of sites such as paypal.com as paypai.com for illegal behavoirs (stealing creditcard info) , i can only imagine the amount of trickery and smoke-and-mirrors that will occur.

Most users (generally speaking) don't understand how the web works, so what do you think they would say?
ex. Whats the difference between paypal.com and paypal.asia if you are, say a consumer in Hong Kong?

And would they be any enforcment of this? will all (excuse the bluntness) porn-sites be required to use the .xxx TLD?
Would all mail-services be required a .mail?

What ever happend to using the TLDs as an organizational system?

edit: adding

I believe this was the primary and original intention of the TLDs, only governmental entities can secure a .gov, only schools can get a .edu... i think that becuase of all the crisis that people go through, they should be thinking about making the current TLDs better utilized and breakdown on "domain-level" fraud before only adding to the mess.

dotcodotuk · Apr 5, 2004, 07:58

I personally do not think that the new extentions are going to be a big hit, because at the end of the day they are not very appealing.

The one domain which will boom, is the .xxx due to the fact that 65% of the domains, are adult themed related.

VodkaFish · Apr 5, 2004, 14:16

I don't mean to be "that guy", but I'd just like to point out that saying:
"New Top Level Domains Launched by ICANN" means that new top level domains are working, not proposed. I completely whipped my head around, like "huh? I didn't hear about new TLDs", when in fact there's a reason for it. None were launched. My suggestion: please change the title.

As for the article itself, thank you for breaking down the proposed new names. Outside of .xxx I don't see much of a need for any of them other then letting ICANN take in more cash. .xxx would probably be welcome by all, especially since it would be easy on the filters.

lo0ol · Apr 5, 2004, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by VodkaFish

As for the article itself, thank you for breaking down the proposed new names. Outside of .xxx I don't see much of a need for any of them other then letting ICANN take in more cash. .xxx would probably be welcome by all, especially since it would be easy on the filters.

I'll agree. Is it just me or do these new submissions seem unbelieveably narrowed down? What happened to good ol' .net and .com. Even .info has a good, general-purpose feel. .xxx seems to be the only one that would fit the previous 'ideals'. All the rest just seem to add a whole lot of hassle to an already confusing system.

Though it would be fun to try and snatch Google.cat in the beginning, if not just for the opportunity have a nice chat with Google.

A_sim_L_8r · Apr 5, 2004, 22:51

I think .mobi also has a chance, although I'm not to hot on the abbrev for ext. Is this the working title or is modi jv what is being referred to? A shot more because of the heavyweight backing (=promotion), than from the dubious need of filling a mobile niche.

colinr · Apr 6, 2004, 13:16

.mobi would actually be a nice one so that you could have the .mobi site be PDA/phone friendly...

domainer111 · Apr 7, 2004, 03:26

Very interesting - especially good news for the original tld's com-net-org as it makes them even more appealing as they have built up brand awareness among the public already.

If I were .info/.biz I would not like this, they might get lost in the crowd.

Abusiveelusive · Apr 13, 2004, 22:06

I think the best one, and only one that should be accepted is .xxx

I say make ALL (newly made) adult sites must use .xxx. It would be great. Parental Controls "Block all .xxx domains". Simple.

elwar · May 18, 2004, 07:02

.mobi will be big. Think of all your friends getting those flashy mobile devices, they need to access sites catered for the small screens and limited input options.

About the brand name piggy-backing... I think there's a 'sunrise' period of 2-3 months where trademark owners can register the new TLDs. Non-TM owners will have to wait. Not that it matters much, people will always go to the .com version of a domain first.

incka · May 23, 2004, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by elwar

About the brand name piggy-backing... I think there's a 'sunrise' period of 2-3 months where trademark owners can register the new TLDs. Non-TM owners will have to wait. Not that it matters much, people will always go to the .com version of a domain first.

It's trademarking time!

I wonder if 'CellPhones.mobi' is a trademark? If not its mine! Muhahahaha!

incka · May 23, 2004, 14:23

I like:

.xxx
.travel
.tel

The rest are ok I suppose.

What I really want is a .fun domain for entertainment sites, and another one like .info, but I can't think of a good TLD as .edu is used by US unis...

incka · May 24, 2004, 10:34

I killed a thread

spoondevil · May 24, 2004, 11:53

I think they need to scrap the Internet "as is" and restart the whole process, this time thinking about the fact that everyone in the world will be accessing it.

Give out certain domains to certain groups, for instance, any adult material must be on a .xxx TLD. make search engines, kid filters and people who are offended by porn a lot easier to manage.

The way the world works is crazy. Nothing is ever thought to be big, for instance telephones, A. Bell imagined there only being 1 telephone for each town, now everyone has at least 1 phone, and a lot of people home, work, mobile.

Oh yeah, and scrap the www. bit - it's just plain annoying!

csn · Jun 10, 2004, 12:43

Quote:

Oh yeah, and scrap the www. bit - it's just plain annoying!

+1. It takes 10 syllables just to say that part too. I remember when Cnet tried saying "dub dub dub dot" instead (didn't last long).

incka · May 24, 2004, 12:39

It would be easy to set up a new world wide web with different TLDs, etc. Just it would need a large finacial budget and alot of press to get people to use it, as well as loads of programmers...

M. Johansson · May 25, 2004, 02:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by incka

It would be easy to set up a new world wide web with different TLDs, etc. Just it would need a large finacial budget and alot of press to get people to use it, as well as loads of programmers...

Yeah, that seems like a piece of cake.

spoondevil · May 24, 2004, 16:01

I got £10 spare... Anyone else wanna chip in

incka · May 25, 2004, 05:58

Yeah (I'm thinking in the mind of Bill Gates again, sorry)...

Jehu · Nov 6, 2004, 01:07

.cat is absolutely the stupidest idea ever. It's way too narrow to be a TLD. Not one person I know IRL has ever heard the word "Catalonia". Why isn't it a ccTLD, say .ct ??

fonzerelli_79 · Nov 6, 2004, 02:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jehu

.cat is absolutely the stupidest idea ever. It's way too narrow to be a TLD. Not one person I know IRL has ever heard the word "Catalonia". Why isn't it a ccTLD, say .ct ??

well arent we the cultured one. Did you use to bunk off school whenever history class was on - could you even point to the usa on a world map if you were forced to ?????

(im only playing

)

Ive been to catalonia 2 or 3 times - great people just like the spanish. If i remember right theres about 5 or 6 million catalonians - bigger than some other countries that have domain extensions.

Jehu · Nov 6, 2004, 03:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzerelli_79

bigger than some other countries that have domain extensions.

Like I said, it's fine with me if they get a ccTLD, but this is an abuse of a 3-letter TLD.

fonzerelli_79 · Nov 6, 2004, 03:29

i disagree - just because the usa, canada, china, uk or whatever have bigger populations - it doesnt mean they have more right to a country/region specific domain

Mahonni · Nov 6, 2004, 10:01

Anyways, is it possible to have a ccTLD without being a country? In fact, puntcat.org said that they want a .cat domain, but .ct would be also ok.

However, some people say it has to be .cat.es or something, but this is stupid because nobody wants long domain names, it'd be unuseful.

Josh_ · Nov 6, 2004, 12:47

I think they should make 2 letter TLDs that aren't CCs.

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Apr 4, 2004, 15:21	#2
colinr SitePoint Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: san francisco, ca Posts: 204	i agree with gengar56 on his point, and furthermore, the situation already happens, most the time for the worse.. ex. How many times have you miss-typed a domain and gotten a cheaply-made "search-engine" / spam site... and thats from user-error (mistyping). I can only imaging the amount of people who will use the opening of new TLDs to piggy-back on the success and try to "extort" users from legit businesses to their own sites. We have seen this same kind of behavoir in the mimicing of sites such as paypal.com as paypai.com for illegal behavoirs (stealing creditcard info) , i can only imagine the amount of trickery and smoke-and-mirrors that will occur. Most users (generally speaking) don't understand how the web works, so what do you think they would say? ex. Whats the difference between paypal.com and paypal.asia if you are, say a consumer in Hong Kong? And would they be any enforcment of this? will all (excuse the bluntness) porn-sites be required to use the .xxx TLD? Would all mail-services be required a .mail? What ever happend to using the TLDs as an organizational system? edit: adding I believe this was the primary and original intention of the TLDs, only governmental entities can secure a .gov, only schools can get a .edu... i think that becuase of all the crisis that people go through, they should be thinking about making the current TLDs better utilized and breakdown on "domain-level" fraud before only adding to the mess.

Apr 5, 2004, 07:58	#3
dotcodotuk Non-Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 93	I personally do not think that the new extentions are going to be a big hit, because at the end of the day they are not very appealing. The one domain which will boom, is the .xxx due to the fact that 65% of the domains, are adult themed related.

Apr 5, 2004, 14:16	#4
VodkaFish Drop em if you got em Join Date: May 2003 Location: NY Posts: 728	I don't mean to be "that guy", but I'd just like to point out that saying: "New Top Level Domains Launched by ICANN" means that new top level domains are working, not proposed. I completely whipped my head around, like "huh? I didn't hear about new TLDs", when in fact there's a reason for it. None were launched. My suggestion: please change the title. As for the article itself, thank you for breaking down the proposed new names. Outside of .xxx I don't see much of a need for any of them other then letting ICANN take in more cash. .xxx would probably be welcome by all, especially since it would be easy on the filters.

Apr 5, 2004, 22:51	#6
A_sim_L_8r SitePoint Zealot Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Left Coast Posts: 136	I think .mobi also has a chance, although I'm not to hot on the abbrev for ext. Is this the working title or is modi jv what is being referred to? A shot more because of the heavyweight backing (=promotion), than from the dubious need of filling a mobile niche.

Apr 6, 2004, 13:16	#7
colinr SitePoint Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: san francisco, ca Posts: 204	.mobi would actually be a nice one so that you could have the .mobi site be PDA/phone friendly...

Apr 7, 2004, 03:26	#8
domainer111 SitePoint Zealot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 133	Very interesting - especially good news for the original tld's com-net-org as it makes them even more appealing as they have built up brand awareness among the public already. If I were .info/.biz I would not like this, they might get lost in the crowd.

Apr 13, 2004, 22:06	#9
Abusiveelusive SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 48	I think the best one, and only one that should be accepted is .xxx I say make ALL (newly made) adult sites must use .xxx. It would be great. Parental Controls "Block all .xxx domains". Simple.

May 18, 2004, 07:02	#10
elwar SitePoint Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts: 5	.mobi will be big. Think of all your friends getting those flashy mobile devices, they need to access sites catered for the small screens and limited input options. About the brand name piggy-backing... I think there's a 'sunrise' period of 2-3 months where trademark owners can register the new TLDs. Non-TM owners will have to wait. Not that it matters much, people will always go to the .com version of a domain first.

May 23, 2004, 14:23	#12
incka Website Publisher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wakefield, Airstrip One Posts: 1,389	I like: .xxx .travel .tel The rest are ok I suppose. What I really want is a .fun domain for entertainment sites, and another one like .info, but I can't think of a good TLD as .edu is used by US unis...

May 24, 2004, 10:34	#13
incka Website Publisher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wakefield, Airstrip One Posts: 1,389	I killed a thread

May 24, 2004, 11:53	#14
spoondevil SitePoint Evangelist Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Harlow, Essex, UK Posts: 427	I think they need to scrap the Internet "as is" and restart the whole process, this time thinking about the fact that everyone in the world will be accessing it. Give out certain domains to certain groups, for instance, any adult material must be on a .xxx TLD. make search engines, kid filters and people who are offended by porn a lot easier to manage. The way the world works is crazy. Nothing is ever thought to be big, for instance telephones, A. Bell imagined there only being 1 telephone for each town, now everyone has at least 1 phone, and a lot of people home, work, mobile. Oh yeah, and scrap the www. bit - it's just plain annoying!

May 24, 2004, 12:39	#16
incka Website Publisher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wakefield, Airstrip One Posts: 1,389	It would be easy to set up a new world wide web with different TLDs, etc. Just it would need a large finacial budget and alot of press to get people to use it, as well as loads of programmers...

May 24, 2004, 16:01	#18
spoondevil SitePoint Evangelist Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Harlow, Essex, UK Posts: 427	I got £10 spare... Anyone else wanna chip in

May 25, 2004, 05:58	#19
incka Website Publisher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wakefield, Airstrip One Posts: 1,389	Yeah (I'm thinking in the mind of Bill Gates again, sorry)...

Nov 6, 2004, 01:07	#20
Jehu SitePoint Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: USA Posts: 206	.cat is absolutely the stupidest idea ever. It's way too narrow to be a TLD. Not one person I know IRL has ever heard the word "Catalonia". Why isn't it a ccTLD, say .ct ??

Nov 6, 2004, 03:29	#23
fonzerelli_79 Bananas contain Zinc Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,175	i disagree - just because the usa, canada, china, uk or whatever have bigger populations - it doesnt mean they have more right to a country/region specific domain

Nov 6, 2004, 10:01	#24
Mahonni SitePoint Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Barcelona Posts: 1	Anyways, is it possible to have a ccTLD without being a country? In fact, puntcat.org said that they want a .cat domain, but .ct would be also ok. However, some people say it has to be .cat.es or something, but this is stupid because nobody wants long domain names, it'd be unuseful.

Nov 6, 2004, 12:47	#25
Josh_ Colonel Jack O'neill Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NC Posts: 825	I think they should make 2 letter TLDs that aren't CCs.