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tarr · Aug 7, 2002, 13:57

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php They say it's faster and better. With VB their forum hogged the server.

mjames · Aug 7, 2002, 20:09

InvisionBoard is quite good but it annoys me when those people there say it's so much better than vB. 99% of them have never administered either and they make such blunt comments that really have no backing. vB is certainly not a forum hog, it was more than likely their news posting PHP script or comments system that caused strain on the server.

tarr · Aug 7, 2002, 20:45

I don't know, i have never adminsterd a VB, but on invisionboard forums neowin's administrator published his tests about speed and resource taking.
He tested Invisionboard, Vb end PHPbb2.
The winner was Invision, followed by Vb and then PHPbb2 third.
Why do you say that the news script was the problem? I think a piece of news is posted once in a wile, while a lot of users on the board take the most part of resources.

Aidan Bahta · Aug 7, 2002, 21:13

Well a news script usually does more than add news to the site. It would also display the news, allow for searches within the site, and several other things.

Hierophant · Aug 7, 2002, 21:25

I actually don't think it is any one script.. I would like to look at their server setup though and know whether posting frequency is the same between vBulletin and Invision board.

tarr · Aug 7, 2002, 21:32

Quote:

Originally posted by Aidan Bahta
Well a news script usually does more than add news to the site. It would also display the news, allow for searches within the site, and several other things.

Ehm, you are quite right.

Woody · Aug 8, 2002, 10:49

Neowin did compare the speed of a few boards (results) and Invision Board performed the best. They converted all posts and members and then shut the vB down and made the IB live. The rest of the site stayed the same. The load went down and there were no longer a lot Server to Busy messages. The posting frequency would be the same or higher since users can now post and browse without the Server to Busy message. How can you say that it wasn't Invision Board that lowered the server load?

Hierophant · Aug 8, 2002, 12:21

There is actually a lot more to this story than has been made public... We'll just have to see how it turns out in the long run.

Jeremy W. · Aug 8, 2002, 12:26

I'd love to drop into the IBf board for an "impartial" feature discussion....

Woody · Aug 8, 2002, 14:19

Could you fill us in please?

Quote:

Originally posted by W. Luke
There is actually a lot more to this story than has been made public... We'll just have to see how it turns out in the long run.

wert · Aug 8, 2002, 14:22

Isn't it nice how threads like this always seem to devolve into useless cries of "My boards better than youuuuurr board!"

Bleah.

Jeremy W. · Aug 8, 2002, 14:29

Which of course you aren't doing.

Woody · Aug 8, 2002, 15:09

It isn't about what board is better than another. I have never said that vB isn't a good board and I do believe that it is a wonderful product. I won't claim to be unbiased but I don't make up stuff either. Everything I have said in this thread so far is stuff that is true as far as I know.

People are so caught up in vB being so wonderful that they won't even give other forums a try. You have the right to say it sucks if that is the way you feel but at least back it up.

Why is no one willing to accept the fact that there might be a board better than vB? If you have some information that will prove me wrong than give it to me. I'll be the first one to admit that I was wrong. But everyone is going on about features when they don't mean crap if you can't even get the board to load. Speed comparisons have been done and IBF has been reported to be faster in each one. I have yet to see a feature comparison but I am sure both boards have features that are unique to each one.

So instead of rolling you eyes at this topic how about you actually contribute something worth reading. Saying there is more to the story certainly doesn't tell me anything.

Hierophant · Aug 8, 2002, 15:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Woody
Could you fill us in please?

No, I can't...

However, it doesn't appear that IBF solved their problems either. The users were getting the same problems under that system that they were getting under vBulletin. Mainly "Server Too Busy" errors. This is from messages posted on their forums that I read this morning. Unfortunately since the time I read them, they have closed down their site because of these issues.

Woody · Aug 8, 2002, 15:59

How weird..

I talked with a few of the neowin guys a few days ago and they said they were very impressed with Invision Board.
I also browsed the forum after the switch and most of the users seemed to love it. The general response was that it was faster, Server to Busy message errors didn't appear as often, and most didn't like the quote style or the smilies.

May I ask why you told us that there is more to the story if you had no plans of filling us in?

Quote:

Originally posted by W. Luke

No, I can't...

However, it doesn't appear that IBF solved their problems either. The users were getting the same problems under that system that they were getting under vBulletin. Mainly "Server Too Busy" errors. This is from messages posted on their forums that I read this morning. Unfortunately since the time I read them, they have closed down their site because of these issues.

Hierophant · Aug 8, 2002, 16:02

I mentioned it just to make sure that people knew that things are not always exactly what they appear like on the surface.

Jeremy W. · Aug 8, 2002, 16:09

Woody, I run a large vBulletin site, and a couple of PHPBB sites. I'm not making an uninformed opinion as I've tried IBF and several of the other free boards.

In fact I'd say my opinion is rather educated, after all have you administered sites running both boards?

Speed tests, I don't know really. Speed doesn't matter to me much. I know vB can pull down several thousand pages per minute because I've seen it on RQ, really as simple as that. It isn't slow, I haven't gotten "server too busy" errors and the users love it.

To me, vB is, quite simply, a full community product. The free boards are just that: boards. If you want a tour of vB admin I can give that to you so you can see the hundreds of things vB can do that I've never seen on another board.

That might not be what you want though. I've convinced over a dozen people that vB is the best board simply by giving them access to a test admin site. It's really that simple. Features listed side-by-side will look remarkably similar, especially when boards like IBF don't understand what the vB developers meant.

Anyways, I'm not knocking IBF or PHPBB or anything. As I said, I run 2 sites on free boards. To me, if you are serious about having a real community then vB is the way to go. If you just want to "add a board" then one of the free ones is the way to go, and that's not just an uninformed fanboy opinion.

tarr · Aug 8, 2002, 18:06

Free Boards, Free Boards. Free board are not all the same. They are coded by different people. So, logically speking, PHPBB2 and InvisonBoard are not the same product.
The results of neowin comparison (check woody'first post in this thread) showed PHPBB2 still very very behind Invison and Vb.
InvionBoard AdminCp is not PHPBB2's AdminCp so Jeremy W.'s post is quite pontless. He is saying that VB is Better than EVERY free boards around. Yet he has not tried InvisionBoard. I have not tried Vb, so all I can say isa that neowin's admins made test and in those test Invision resulted as the better Board in terms of performance.
Features are not all. You can't do mucg if you got a lot of feature but the board crashes your server. (even if, peraphs, neowin admins should have setupa better server to run such a community: once I saw a Vb with 1200 users online!- But I also saw an ikonboard 3.0 with 400 users online and the sysytem went like a charm).
Finally, W.Luke post's

Quote:

There is actually a lot more to this story than has been made public... We'll just have to see how it turns out in the long run.

is irritating even for me that am no Invision or Vb developer but just a user who browse these boards get advise on web developing.
And W. Luke, as an admin, should be clearer.

P.S please forgive my english, I am italian

Jeremy W. · Aug 8, 2002, 20:59

tarr, my post isn't pointless at all. I've tried every free board I can get my hands on besides IBF. I don't feel a need to install it just to defend my claims, though if you want to pay me to do a full feature roundout and publish it I can.

It's really just a matter of statistics. If all compact cars were prone to crashing, you probably wouldn't buy a compact car.

tarr · Aug 8, 2002, 21:48

In the industry of software there have been a lot of freeware great software! Linux is free, and PHP is, and Perl is, and Apache is. They are not that bad, uh?
Why couldn't a free board be bettere than a pay one?
I opened this thread to mention a very interesting case.
So, if You have not tested it, your thought about statistic are pointless.
You know that statitistics is that science according to which if You eat two Chickens and I eat nothing, each of us ate a chicken !

I konow this site is sponsored by Vbulletin, but, as a objective webmaster site, discussion should be open here.

Woody · Aug 8, 2002, 22:18

Jeremy, Have you tried Invision Board recently? The way you had it posted I couldn't really tell for sure.

And yes, I have admined boards or I have at least helped run boards running UBB, YaBB, Ikonboard, vBulletin, and now Invision Board. I have decided to use and support Invision Board not because I can't afford vB but because I truly think it is a better product.

The thing that annoys me more than anything is that the loyal vB users came in here saying that there is more to the story but they can't tell us what it is. Instead of a congrats to Invision on the accomplishment we get a group of people saying Invision board shouldn't be used by any serious community.

wert · Aug 8, 2002, 22:28

I'll repeat my mantra about this.

Try the different forums and choose the one that suits you.

Boards like Invision, PhpBB, Ikonboards, etc. are free, so no problem trying those out.

vB's admin panel can be tested right from their main site if you want to see what administering a commercial board is like. You can also download the "lite" version to test if it will work properly on your site.

Different people have different needs, so what is "best" is almost purely a subjective decision.

Bleating on and on about how some magazine found this forum "faster" or somehow "better" than another is disingenuous at best. What if another magazine or site did a test or review and found another board *one you don't like* to be "superior"? Would you feel bound to switch based on someone elses opinion?

Just test them out and use the one you like. If someone is using something they're happy with, I see no need to try to change their mind...

It's why this kind of thread is so useless...

Hierophant · Aug 8, 2002, 22:53

Quote:

Originally posted by tarr
I konow this site is sponsored by Vbulletin, but, as a objective webmaster site, discussion should be open here.

If Discussion weren't open here, this topic would have been deleted this morning before anyone saw it.

tarr · Aug 9, 2002, 00:45

Quote:

Originally posted by W. Luke

If Discussion weren't open here, this topic would have been deleted this morning before anyone saw it.

Ok. this is a good point

But still I cannot understand your misterious post

Quote:

There is actually a lot more to this story than has been made public... We'll just have to see how it turns out in the long run

If it has made public, why don't you post a link?

DR_LaRRY_PEpPeR · Aug 9, 2002, 00:56

Quote:

Originally posted by tarr
If it has made public, why don't you post a link?

umm, it says

Quote:

There is actually a lot more to this story than has been made public...

not

Quote:

There is actually a lot more to this story that has been made public...

Aug 7, 2002, 13:57	#1
tarr SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Italy Posts: 74	Neowin.net switch from VB to Invision http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php They say it's faster and better. With VB their forum hogged the server.

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Aug 7, 2002, 20:09	#2
mjames Sports Publisher Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,022	InvisionBoard is quite good but it annoys me when those people there say it's so much better than vB. 99% of them have never administered either and they make such blunt comments that really have no backing. vB is certainly not a forum hog, it was more than likely their news posting PHP script or comments system that caused strain on the server.

Aug 7, 2002, 20:45	#3
tarr SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Italy Posts: 74	I don't know, i have never adminsterd a VB, but on invisionboard forums neowin's administrator published his tests about speed and resource taking. He tested Invisionboard, Vb end PHPbb2. The winner was Invision, followed by Vb and then PHPbb2 third. Why do you say that the news script was the problem? I think a piece of news is posted once in a wile, while a lot of users on the board take the most part of resources.

Aug 7, 2002, 21:13	#4
Aidan Bahta <?$pop_tarts = "fuel";?> Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 1,423	Well a news script usually does more than add news to the site. It would also display the news, allow for searches within the site, and several other things.

Aug 7, 2002, 21:25	#5
Hierophant Your Lord and Master, Foamy Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Lancaster, Ca. USA Posts: 12,732	I actually don't think it is any one script.. I would like to look at their server setup though and know whether posting frequency is the same between vBulletin and Invision board.

Aug 8, 2002, 10:49	#7
Woody SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 80	Neowin did compare the speed of a few boards (results) and Invision Board performed the best. They converted all posts and members and then shut the vB down and made the IB live. The rest of the site stayed the same. The load went down and there were no longer a lot Server to Busy messages. The posting frequency would be the same or higher since users can now post and browse without the Server to Busy message. How can you say that it wasn't Invision Board that lowered the server load?

Aug 8, 2002, 12:21	#8
Hierophant Your Lord and Master, Foamy Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Lancaster, Ca. USA Posts: 12,732	There is actually a lot more to this story than has been made public... We'll just have to see how it turns out in the long run.

Aug 8, 2002, 12:26	#9
Jeremy W. 32,817 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 10,496	I'd love to drop into the IBf board for an "impartial" feature discussion....

Aug 8, 2002, 14:22	#11
wert Blissed off Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 422	Isn't it nice how threads like this always seem to devolve into useless cries of "My boards better than youuuuurr board!" Bleah.

Aug 8, 2002, 14:29	#12
Jeremy W. 32,817 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 10,496	Which of course you aren't doing.

Aug 8, 2002, 15:09	#13
Woody SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 80	It isn't about what board is better than another. I have never said that vB isn't a good board and I do believe that it is a wonderful product. I won't claim to be unbiased but I don't make up stuff either. Everything I have said in this thread so far is stuff that is true as far as I know. People are so caught up in vB being so wonderful that they won't even give other forums a try. You have the right to say it sucks if that is the way you feel but at least back it up. Why is no one willing to accept the fact that there might be a board better than vB? If you have some information that will prove me wrong than give it to me. I'll be the first one to admit that I was wrong. But everyone is going on about features when they don't mean crap if you can't even get the board to load. Speed comparisons have been done and IBF has been reported to be faster in each one. I have yet to see a feature comparison but I am sure both boards have features that are unique to each one. So instead of rolling you eyes at this topic how about you actually contribute something worth reading. Saying there is more to the story certainly doesn't tell me anything.

Aug 8, 2002, 16:02	#16
Hierophant Your Lord and Master, Foamy Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Lancaster, Ca. USA Posts: 12,732	I mentioned it just to make sure that people knew that things are not always exactly what they appear like on the surface.

Aug 8, 2002, 16:09	#17
Jeremy W. 32,817 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 10,496	Woody, I run a large vBulletin site, and a couple of PHPBB sites. I'm not making an uninformed opinion as I've tried IBF and several of the other free boards. In fact I'd say my opinion is rather educated, after all have you administered sites running both boards? Speed tests, I don't know really. Speed doesn't matter to me much. I know vB can pull down several thousand pages per minute because I've seen it on RQ, really as simple as that. It isn't slow, I haven't gotten "server too busy" errors and the users love it. To me, vB is, quite simply, a full community product. The free boards are just that: boards. If you want a tour of vB admin I can give that to you so you can see the hundreds of things vB can do that I've never seen on another board. That might not be what you want though. I've convinced over a dozen people that vB is the best board simply by giving them access to a test admin site. It's really that simple. Features listed side-by-side will look remarkably similar, especially when boards like IBF don't understand what the vB developers meant. Anyways, I'm not knocking IBF or PHPBB or anything. As I said, I run 2 sites on free boards. To me, if you are serious about having a real community then vB is the way to go. If you just want to "add a board" then one of the free ones is the way to go, and that's not just an uninformed fanboy opinion.

Aug 8, 2002, 20:59	#19
Jeremy W. 32,817 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 10,496	tarr, my post isn't pointless at all. I've tried every free board I can get my hands on besides IBF. I don't feel a need to install it just to defend my claims, though if you want to pay me to do a full feature roundout and publish it I can. It's really just a matter of statistics. If all compact cars were prone to crashing, you probably wouldn't buy a compact car.

Aug 8, 2002, 21:48	#20
tarr SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Italy Posts: 74	In the industry of software there have been a lot of freeware great software! Linux is free, and PHP is, and Perl is, and Apache is. They are not that bad, uh? Why couldn't a free board be bettere than a pay one? I opened this thread to mention a very interesting case. So, if You have not tested it, your thought about statistic are pointless. You know that statitistics is that science according to which if You eat two Chickens and I eat nothing, each of us ate a chicken ! I konow this site is sponsored by Vbulletin, but, as a objective webmaster site, discussion should be open here.

Aug 8, 2002, 22:18	#21
Woody SitePoint Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 80	Jeremy, Have you tried Invision Board recently? The way you had it posted I couldn't really tell for sure. And yes, I have admined boards or I have at least helped run boards running UBB, YaBB, Ikonboard, vBulletin, and now Invision Board. I have decided to use and support Invision Board not because I can't afford vB but because I truly think it is a better product. The thing that annoys me more than anything is that the loyal vB users came in here saying that there is more to the story but they can't tell us what it is. Instead of a congrats to Invision on the accomplishment we get a group of people saying Invision board shouldn't be used by any serious community.

Aug 8, 2002, 22:28	#22
wert Blissed off Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 422	I'll repeat my mantra about this. Try the different forums and choose the one that suits you. Boards like Invision, PhpBB, Ikonboards, etc. are free, so no problem trying those out. vB's admin panel can be tested right from their main site if you want to see what administering a commercial board is like. You can also download the "lite" version to test if it will work properly on your site. Different people have different needs, so what is "best" is almost purely a subjective decision. Bleating on and on about how some magazine found this forum "faster" or somehow "better" than another is disingenuous at best. What if another magazine or site did a test or review and found another board one you don't like to be "superior"? Would you feel bound to switch based on someone elses opinion? Just test them out and use the one you like. If someone is using something they're happy with, I see no need to try to change their mind... It's why this kind of thread is so useless...