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    Bobby Fixes

    Thought I don't like the way bobby seem to work, the "powers the be" here want me to get our site compatable with it, now I'm only failing on 3 items, but I've run out of ideas on how to fix them, plus the bobby help isn't very helpful.

    So what I'm asking, is if there are any web sites, resources or general pointers in helping people get their sites "bobby Approved". Workarounds, fixes, etc.

    My problems are
    It doesn't like my java rolloever effect, cos it uses mouseover, well if I use onfocus it doesn't work right, its not a major thing, (to me) as its only a visual effect it doesn't stop the link from working, its pssoble to tab to the links, so what is bobby's problem!!!

    the other think is links, there is a page full of web links, I've seperated them with "<p>" but bobby want's "<li>" but I don't want the dot that goes with that.

    Don't really want to post the link to the site as its all "government"'ed and I feel to embarrased to put my name to it! hehe

    cheers

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    Lee I work for the NI Government so I appreciate where you are coming from. PM me or send me an email - darren@nics.gov.uk with the url and I'll see if I can help.

    Bobby really isn't that reliable for finding "mistakes" as it where. Your rollovers really aren't that important, if the links are clearly links and have alt tags then unless the rollover does something other than change colour (eg display a descriptive message) then I would ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhatkins
    So what I'm asking, is if there are any web sites, resources or general pointers in helping people get their sites "bobby Approved". Workarounds, fixes, etc.
    http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-TECHS/ is quite good at providing some concrete examples.


    Quote Originally Posted by lhatkins
    It doesn't like my java rolloever effect, cos it uses mouseover, well if I use onfocus it doesn't work right, its not a major thing, (to me) as its only a visual effect it doesn't stop the link from working, its pssoble to tab to the links, so what is bobby's problem!!!
    http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TEC...ssible-scripts has the solution:

    if you must use device-dependent attributes, provide redundant input mechanisms (i.e., specify two handlers for the same element):
    so, in your case, have both onfocus and onmouseover ... although i'm not sure if bobby will pick up the fact that you're catering for both, or if it's just dumb and triggers the error when it sees onmouseover

    Quote Originally Posted by lhatkins
    the other think is links, there is a page full of web links, I've seperated them with "<p>" but bobby want's "<li>" but I don't want the dot that goes with that.
    you can use CSS to suppress the dot

    Code:
    CSS
    
    .dotlesslist {
    list-style: none;
    }
    
    HTML
    
    <ul class="dotlesslist">
    <li>blah</li>
    </ul>
    http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#list-style
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    I was gonna suggest doing that with the lists, I just don't like to show off in public Redux!

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    Nice one guys, don't worry about showing off, I admint I still have quite a bit to learn, I like the list idea a lot, so I'll try that this afternoon, then I'll work on the rollover problem, but it looks like its solvable by the links you've given me, I hope it still passes all the other tests while I'm at it,, I find sometime by fixing one thing, you end up breaking soemthing else, and getting it to work in all the browsers is giving me a headache, dam you Netscape 4.79!!!!

    Daz I'll pm you the link, promise not to laugh, (too loudly).
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    Lee I've replied. Redux, back me up here, Lee's mouseover event is only a presentation effect, adding a shadow to a button on rollover. It plays no part in the functionality of the page therefore it passes the Bobby test?

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    backup...we need backup...
    yes daz, you're right.
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    pheeeeeew!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daz
    pheeeeeew!


    Nice one, so I can happily put the bobby logo on without getting sued then! nice.

    Ya that'll be another logo hanging off the bottom, ya customers don't you just lov 'em!

    Daz what was ironic is that I put the 3 three logo's on for a laught, like taking the mic, but the didn't quite get it and now want to keep them! MAD !
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    i would actually go for the WAI logos, not the bobby ones... http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG1-Conformance
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    Hi Redux, ya I know what your saying its just there is no way to varify the WAI ones, but at least bobby has a checker.

    Its annoying I'm down to one error on bobby but there is no way (that I can see) to clear it, its the rollover mouse focas, mouse over thing, the "Make sure event handlers do not require use of a mouse." one.

    Think I could still use the WAI triple A logo dispite this?
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    i would say yes, if you're implementing the WAI-recommended solution of using both onmouseover AND onfocus. so, as i supected, bobby is just playing dumb and throws up errors when it sees an onmouseover...
    having said that, does bobby flag it as an error, or a manual check ? if it's a manual check, don't worry, because effectively you have manually checked it if you've added the onfocus behaviour as well...
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    Redux, no its a Priority 2 access fail error, but its the last one, no I have put the onfocus on as it upset the way the button worked on itw own, going to try again putting the to commands together in differing orders sure I'll get it to work in a minute.
    Last edited by lhatkins; Mar 18, 2003 at 03:23.
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    That Bobby sure is driving me nuts too; my government contracts require the sites to meet "AA" accessibility, as according to Bobby--so, even though in all reality the sites are completely usable for a visually-impaired person, Bobby keeps red-flagging the damn rollovers!

    I've yet to discover a solution for this, and will probably end up having to just remove the rollovers entirely, just to shut Bobby up and make my program manager happy.

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    Frank as I pointed out above and Redux confirmed, Bobby is a bit daft where rollovers are concerned. As your javascript is only used for presentation effect and not functionality you don't need to heed the warnings. If that's the only thing Bobby is flagging then you can ignore it, like I said, it's a bit dumb when it comes to certain things.

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    You know that, I know that, but try explaining that to my state IT department! Seriously, they keep coming back to me that it has to meet "Bobby AA Aproval".

    They unfortunately haven't much of a clue what is going on, so the best they can do is read if a report says "AA" or "work needed" :/

    And yes, this is "official policy" we are dealing with here! sheesh!

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    well, if it's policy...take out the onmouseovers. if your boss later complains about the site looking bland and missing all those "cool" things happening when he moved the little pointy arrow with the mouse, explain the situation in simple terms: as the policy is flawed, i had to ditch them.
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    LOL, I'll wholeheartedly agree about the policy being flawed! I've been around and around with these guys, but of course they continue to fall back on it as their "policy" and heaven forbid if their policy was not perfect!

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    If I were you I'd print out this page
    http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/html/en/gls/g269.html
    and highlight the last paragraph were its stated you only need to worry about the event handler if it affects the functionality of the page.

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    Thanks Daz, will do...but I already fear that I know their response will be the same as it has always been; "Our policy is for all sites to meet AA approval via the Bobby reporting software."

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    To which I would respond "as I have more knowledge about this matter than you, I can assure you the site does meet Bobby approval".

    Don't ya just hate pushy bosses who THINK they know everything?!!

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    THAT I do! LOL

    But I'm just a one-man contractor, while they are the State IT Department...their word goes, always!

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