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    Originally posted by mad-onion
    Why is that when i reveal my age people suddenly dont want to do business with you no more.
    Believe it or not, SitePoint is a prime example - in the Community Forums. They won't neccessarily "not do business with you", but a certain extint, they also won't allow minors to moderate because of their age.

    It's all what's in the head.

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    I think what necrominator means is that a post such as:

    Today we played soccer. However it was blue vs red, and well some people didn't have red on. Well I got one kid messed up who is a "bigshot", and well I went to get the ball when he was coming to shoot, and just kicked it out of the way - really easy to do. Well he gave me **** the rest of the hour cause I was on HIS team, and he said we could have one, and he was like "Don't you like loosing". Well we broke up and made teams and played full court. I smoked his ***.
    Cannot be replied to with helpful or constructife critisim.
    So what if he posts one liners. He doesnt need to make half a page or so telling about this and what he thinks, he asked a question. Least hes not sending profanity or porno or anything else that would be bad.
    my 2 cents also.
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    Ken,

    Yes, there are worse things out there. No one is arguing against that. All we're saying is that many of his posts contribute nothing to the conversation.

    Not only that, but it goes even farther. The more NON-useful posts there are, the more the helpfulness is "watered down"...meaning that it's not neutral to not help, it's bad if you post without helping, save for at times, the General Forums.

    I like necro...he's a nice guy. However he does have a problem with his posts...this should be evident to everyone.

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    I agree with Chris... necro, although I don't know him, may be a nice guy, but he has given himself the reputation for making short, low quality, non-contributing, and often poor grammar, spelling, and typos in his posts.

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    Ahh I see.
    I guess i know what you guys' are talking about.
    I guess I can understand how that would be bad.
    Forums are for information not usless stuff...
    Good rule i guess : )
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    Originally posted by mad-onion
    Why is that when i reveal my age people suddenly dont want to do business with you no more.

    I have more experience, no doubt, than the guy they go and hire. It is not like my backends are "comprimisable" or my scripts not optimized. In fact quite the opposite...

    Some people are okay but i came accross one guy today who hired me to create for him a mailing list program. It was not you average mailing list script and required a bit of the old cranium grizzle.

    I sent it to him and he complimented me on how well it worked. Then he sent me an email asking what i did for a job, so i said "i'm a high school student i'm 15 yrs old".

    So the ******* (escuse langauge) uninstalled the script and will now not pay me...

    It is really annoying!!!

    I would like to hear what other people - old and young - have to say on this...
    Wow, I cant belive that. Especially if he likes it alrady too. Did you have him sing a contract?

    If not, I bet you still have some legal rights...

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    What I would recommend is that you keep honing your skills so that you are the best developer around. Just ignore the people who care more about your age than your product. It's their loss.

    You have to choose whether you are going to focus your energy on getting mad about lost accounts or focus it on getting more accounts. Part of having a business is dealing with failures. You can't close every sale.

    My company grows through mergers and acquisitions. In the 90's we probably looked at 150 deals. Of those 150, we bid on about 90. We only won 30. 1 in 5 doesn't sound like a very good success rate; but when people in my industry hear that we did 30 acquisitions in the 90's, they can't believe it. Is 1 in 5 successful? What if I told you that companies 110 times the size of mine hire me as a consultant because of my success rate?

    When you lose out on a deal, you need to look back to see if there is anything to be learned from it. Then you need to put it behind you and pursue the next one.
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    [Slap me, i won't be useful on this one]

    Lucky youngsters, to be able to found a business so easily. If i (in france) wanted to get my own business parallel to my work, i'd have to pay LOTS of taxes & fees prior to even have a glimpse of a start.
    Off-topic: I'm wondering if it's possible for me to found a business according to american laws if i'm going to sell products (ie, webpages) only in america, while i'm still in france. I hope my grammar wasn't an obstacle for an eventual answer.
    The guy who ripped you off is just one of these guys who think young people are unaware of the laws... You can lawsuit him very easily and possibly get a lot of money out of it. It would takes some months, but if you have the luck to contact journalists, it would be a great free advertisement for your skills.
    OK, i'm just dreaming that would happen to me. I had my own personal PC only 2 weeks ago, that's why.


    About Necro's One-Line-Only posts, well, i think it was appropriate after the immature football-related post, that had nothing to do and was even UNwelcomed in this thread in which we are trying to say young webdesigners are mature.
    I'm still scratching my head, what had that dumb football story to do in this thread ?
    Or maybe i don't read english.
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    Originally posted by mad-onion
    It is very interesting to read other peoples opinions.

    Now that i have calmed down - i was angry when i posted yesterday - and have looked at the situation from a more perspective viewpoint i am forced to take heed of the fact that i have never run into a problem like this before.

    I also dont really think it is worth my time to chase up the problem, afterall i still have the code. And if he doesn't pay well in my opinion he shouldn't get what he paid for, sole usage of the script.

    I actually agree 100% with what Chris said about the buyers choice, however i would query whether that still stands if you have been contracted to do something and they decide after the work is done that they do no want you. If age was such an issue to them they should ask prior to the agreement date.

    I suppose i must just sit back and say "ahg **** i got ripped off but what the heck i dont only do this for money!!!"

    Cheers Guys

    Yea, but he is probably lieing and still has the code himself.

    Also, if he signed a contract, then he is legally required to pay you.

    Yes, he has a choice, if he decides not to go with you, BEFORE he hires you. But after he hires you, he cant just choose not to pay.

    [Edited by jamesglewisf on 11-15-2000 at 06:30 PM]

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    Originally posted by abahta
    Originally posted by justin_sampson
    Hi,
    Necrominator, why don't you try posting a reply that is help full or more then a 1 line? Every post I ever saw you make were 1 line long and didn't help anyone with there question.
    I am also fed up with all of necrominators useless postings. I haven't seen one useful post nor one that made any sense. I don't think he is breaking any rules, but I don't think anyone is glad he is around...
    I have sait this like 50 times...

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    I recommend that everybody quit worrying about necrominator's posts and focus on writing quality posts of their own. If the advisors or administrators are concerned, they will take action.

    Frankly, I don't find off-topic posts about how usesless somebody else's posts are to be very interesting.
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    That sounded harsh. Sorry. What I meant to say is that it's not that much fun reading useless posts, but it is even less fun to read posts about useless posts.

    I sure have missed Luzer. Luzer, if you're out there reading the forum as a guest, please come back. Just about the time I get made an advisor, you do a disappearing act. I enjoyed reading your posts, and now all I can read is the archives of your posts.
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    He sure made the General Forums interesting. Hang on, this might get him back:

    "Nader is a nut, Bush's tax plan is fantastic, and Jesus loves us all."

    There - now it's just a matter of time.

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    Geez first d3v and now Luzer, who's next?

    Mad-Onion, it's never happened to me before like I said before. But if a client did that to me, I would complain to anyone thats worth complaining to.
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    Chris, that was a riot. I expect him here any minute now.
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    Quinn, Martin, come back - we miss you!

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    Just so everyone knows, I emailed Quinn personally and he's busy with other things. He said SitePoint got too religious, and was redudant with people answering the same questions for others again and again.

    I will admit that some questions are answered every other day, but there were no more than 2 or 3 religous threads, and they were all in the General Forums.


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    Originally posted by Grandmaster
    I think what necrominator means is that a post such as:

    Today we played soccer. However it was blue vs red, and well some people didn't have red on. Well I got one kid messed up who is a "bigshot", and well I went to get the ball when he was coming to shoot, and just kicked it out of the way - really easy to do. Well he gave me **** the rest of the hour cause I was on HIS team, and he said we could have one, and he was like "Don't you like loosing". Well we broke up and made teams and played full court. I smoked his ***.
    Cannot be replied to with helpful or constructife critisim.
    So what if he posts one liners. He doesnt need to make half a page or so telling about this and what he thinks, he asked a question. Least hes not sending profanity or porno or anything else that would be bad.
    my 2 cents also.
    Actually, his site promotes the illegal plagerism of school papers...

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    Originally posted by mkaufman
    I'm not sure..but you may be able to file a lawsuit about that.

    It's called Age Discrimination. You can read more about it at USLaw.com or ask your lawyer if you have one.


    It's not illegal to discrimate against someone based on the fact that the employer, etc. considers the applicant, etc. too young. The actual law only protects people who are discriminated against because they are "too old".

    The better lawsuit would be a breach of contract. The fella contracted for a service at a certain price. The service was performed and delivered and now the fella won't pay. The age of the programmer is irrelevant (as is whether the program is installed or not).

    But it's probably not worth litigating.

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    Originally posted by jumpthru
    Actually, his site promotes the illegal plagerism of school papers...
    Yeah, that bothers me a bit as well. I don't know if I could make myself run a site like that.

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    Originally posted by TWTCommish
    Originally posted by jumpthru
    Actually, his site promotes the illegal plagerism of school papers...
    Yeah, that bothers me a bit as well. I don't know if I could make myself run a site like that.
    Ditto.

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    Believe me, colleges have become aware of this practice and have incorporated some very ingenious programs to compare submitted papers with those from 'free term paper' sites. Most of my professors verbally and in writing warned us about the consequences the first day of class...

    If you are found submitting a research paper that you haven't written personally, then you will be failed in that class and depending upon the circumstances, even expelled from school...

    I would never utilize these sites anyway and not just that I wouldn't want to risk my college standing, but also when I went back to college I went to learn and I won't learn much with 'cut & paste'...Not too
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    To respond to contracting your work and not to open up the age issue again but regarding liability you may be surprised about contract law and age limits for valid contracts. From my Business Law class days bookmarks - "It's Legal"...some things just are in the world of Law!
    Who can make a contract?

    The laws of each state define who is competent to form a contract. Generally, competency requires a minimum age and mental ability to understand the contract.

    Age Requirement. In order to be competent, a person must be the age of majority, which in most states is eighteen. If someone younger than the age of majority tries to form a contract, a court may refuse to enforce it.[/color].....(continued at It's Legal)
    Disclaimer - Always contact a lawyer, if not in person then utilize the various online websites with Free Advice Hotlines that will help you along the way to understand your rights...

    And as to the 'Why does everyone hate Bigshots' thread -- I can work with almost anyone, but it's the arrogant, cocky, aggressively demanding, pushy, know-it-all person that doesn't deserve my respect...no matter what the age.
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    Getting back to this age thing - here is my 3 cents worth.

    I am 42 years old and have only recently joined the world of the webmasters. This makes me a beginner. The very thought that I have more chance of being gainfully employed than some of you guys purely because of my age is frightening. You see, I would spend a lot of time on this forum asking you guys to help me to do what I had been employed to do. Kinda makes no sense at all.

    I have come across this type of talk (about age) before in these forums and would like to make a few points if I may.

    1) Thank God for the Kids out there who are shaping the future of the world! (Do not kid yourself - that is not an exaggeration!)

    2) Anyone who judges you by one factor only instead of looking at you as a whole entity is not worthy of your time - move on!

    3) Anyone who discrimiates against you in any way is not worthy of your time - move on!

    And then - some advice from Grandad here -

    Whilst it's great to be young and successfull, its also very important to just be young. Do not miss out on these years - you can never go back to them - do all those crazy-irresponsible-stupid-fun things now whilst you still have an excuse.

    From me Personally..

    Thank you to all the great guys & girls out there who have taught me so much in the last few weeks - Wayne, TWTCommish, Nicky, aspen, elledan, sparkey, WebKat, etc, etc, etc... I do not give a continental about how old any of you are - I admire each and every one of you!

    As I grow older the most important thing that I have learnt is that I still have so much to learn.

    When it comes to age, remember "A man is only as old as the woman he feels." George Burns.

    Okay, I'm outta here......

    When I grow up I wanna be young again.
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    I agree with thespian. No offense to the people around my age group but sometimes I get the impression you never leave your computers.
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