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    Seems to be OK now.

    I have just refreshed the folder and it has an up to date file there

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    Yep, ya fixed it. Has the name of the menu source file changed from c5dmenu.php to something else?

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    Okaaaayy, List Items it is for the 1841 Census of Hurst.

    I like things to center automatically, use minimal classes and targeted css. See what you think.

    Code:
    .center {                    /* center-align any paragraph */
        text-align:center;
    }
    .census1841 {                /* ul - list of districts for 1841 - replaces ED, ED1q, ED3 */
        list-style-type:none;
        display:table;
        padding:0;
        margin:0 auto;
    }
    .census1841 li {
        display:table-row;
        text-align:left;
        padding:0;
        margin:0;
    }
    .census1841 p {
        display:table-cell;
        text-align:left;
        padding:3px 50px 3px 0;  /* padding-right separates columns */
    }
    .census1841 li a {
        display:table-cell;
    }
    .dlinks {                    /* replaces .kellys and .kellys2 - the last paragraph with the directory links */
        text-align:center;
    }
    .dlinks span,
    .dlinks a {
        display:inline-block;
        padding:0 10px;
    }
    Code:
    <!DOCTYPE html> 
    <html lang="en">
    <head>
        <title>The 1841 Census of Hurst</title>
        <meta charset="utf-8">
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/censusstyle.css" type="text/css" media="screen">
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="census1841a.css" type="text/css" media="screen">
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/c5ddropdownmenu.css" type="text/css" media="screen">
        <script src="http://www.c5d.co.uk/mootools-1.2.5-core-yc.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
        <script src="http://www.c5d.co.uk/MenuMatic_0.68.3.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
    </head>
    <body>
    
    <script type="text/javascript">
        window.addEvent('domready', function() {
            var myMenu = new MenuMatic();
        });
    </script>
    
    <div id="wrapper">
        <div id="container" class="container">
    <!-- BEGIN c5dmenu.php INCLUDE -->
    <?php include $_SERVER["DOCUMENT_ROOT"] . "/c5dincludes/c5dmenu.php"; ?>
    <!-- END c5dmenu.php INCLUDE -->
            <h1>Your Certificates in 5 Days ?</h1>
            <p class="one">There is another way. <a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk">Certificates in 5 Days (C5D)</a> Why not give me a try ?</p>
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            <p class="censustext">This page is entirely for the 1841 census of Hurst and its surrounding districts.</p>
            <p class="center">For the relevant Enumeration District from 1841 click on the link below.</p>
            <ul class="census1841">
                <li><p>Enumeration District 1</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed1.php">Rassbottom</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 2</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed2.php">Waterloo St &amp; Stalybridge Centre</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 3</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed3.php">Stalybridge Town Centre</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 4</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed4.php">Stamford Street &amp; Wakefield Road</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 5</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed5.php">Cocker Hill</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 6</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed6.php">Ridge Hill</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 7</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed7.php">Sour Acre &amp; Heyrod</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 8</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed8.php">Scout Mill &amp; Mossley</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 9</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed9.php">Mossley</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 10</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed10.php">Hartshead Pike</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 11</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed11.php">Greenhurst &amp; Hurst Nook</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 12</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed12.php">Hurst Cross &amp; Higher Hurst</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 13</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed13.php">Luzley &amp; Hazlehurst</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 14</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed14.php">Smallshaw &amp; Wilshaw</a></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 15</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed15.php">Hurst Brook</a></li>
                <li><p>The Workhouse</p><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/descriptionworkhouse1841.php">Union Workhouse</a></li>
            </ul>
            <p class="center">Also included here are the Kelly's Directory Entries for Hurst from 1905 and 1918.</p>
            <p class="dlinks"><span>To view them, please click the relevant link:</span>
                <a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/kellyshurst.php">Kelly's Hurst 1905</a>
                <a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/kellyshurst1918.php">Kelly's Hurst 1918</a>
            </p>
    <!--webbot bot="phpLMarkup" startspan -->
            <div class="buttonHolder">
                <button onClick="window.location='http://www.c5d.co.uk/hurstpages.php'">Return to the Hurst Pages</button></div>
            </div>
        </div>
        <p class="copy">&copy;C5D-Certificates</p>
    </body>
    </html>

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    OK I'll try it tonight

    Work beckons now !

    Antony

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    Antony, in the previous example, other than deleting the classes assigned to the list items, the list code is intact. That was the purpose of that example. Same HTML, different (simpler) css, improved behavior. With one little exception... the clickable area of the anchors extends outside of the text to the full width of the "column". Not necessarily undesirable, but not what you started with.

    This example adds a div container around each anchor so they all will behave exactly as your original design.

    Code:
    .center {                    /* center-align any paragraph */
        text-align:center;
    }
    .census1841 {                /* ul - list of districts for 1841 - replaces ED, ED1q, ED3 */
        list-style-type:none;
        display:table;
        padding:0;
        margin:0 auto;
    }
    .census1841 li {
        display:table-row;
        text-align:left;
        padding:0;
        margin:0;
    }
    .census1841 p {
        display:table-cell;
        text-align:left;
        padding:3px 50px 3px 0;  /* padding-right visually separates "columns" */
    }
    .census1841 div {
        display:table-cell;
    }
    .dlinks {                    /* replaces .kellys and .kellys2 - the last paragraph with the directory links */
        text-align:center;
    }
    .dlinks a {
        display:inline-block;
        margin-left:20px;
    }
    Code:
    <!DOCTYPE html> 
    <html lang="en">
    <head>
        <title>The 1841 Census of Hurst</title>
        <meta charset="utf-8">
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/censusstyle.css" type="text/css" media="screen">
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="census1841b.css" type="text/css" media="screen">
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/c5ddropdownmenu.css" type="text/css" media="screen">
        <script src="http://www.c5d.co.uk/mootools-1.2.5-core-yc.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
        <script src="http://www.c5d.co.uk/MenuMatic_0.68.3.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
    </head>
    <body>
    
    <script type="text/javascript">
        window.addEvent('domready', function() {
            var myMenu = new MenuMatic();
        });
    </script>
    
    <div id="wrapper">
        <div id="container" class="container">
    <!-- BEGIN c5dmenu.php INCLUDE -->
    <?php include $_SERVER["DOCUMENT_ROOT"] . "/c5dincludes/c5dmenu.php"; ?>
    <!-- END c5dmenu.php INCLUDE -->
            <h1>Your Certificates in 5 Days ?</h1>
            <p class="one">There is another way. <a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk">Certificates in 5 Days (C5D)</a> Why not give me a try ?</p>
            <div id="advert1"><a href="http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-5433512-10520381" target="_top"><img src="http://www.awltovhc.com/image-5433512-10520381" width="264" height="60" alt="234x60: I am, your Nan"></a></div>
    <!--START MERCHANT:merchant name Find My Past from affiliatewindow.com.-->
            <div id="advert2"><a href="http://www.awin1.com/cread.php?s=265538&amp;v=2114&amp;q=126749&amp;r=127588"><img src="http://www.awin1.com/cshow.php?s=265538&amp;v=2114&amp;q=126749&amp;r=127588" width="264" height="60" alt="264x60"></a></div>
    <!--END MERCHANT:merchant name Find My Past from affiliatewindow.com-->
            <p class="censustext">This page is entirely for the 1841 census of Hurst and its surrounding districts.</p>
            <p class="center">For the relevant Enumeration District from 1841 click on the link below.</p>
            <ul class="census1841">
                <li><p>Enumeration District 1</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed1.php">Rassbottom</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 2</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed2.php">Waterloo St &amp; Stalybridge Centre</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 3</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed3.php">Stalybridge Town Centre</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 4</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed4.php">Stamford Street &amp; Wakefield Road</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 5</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed5.php">Cocker Hill</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 6</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed6.php">Ridge Hill</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 7</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed7.php">Sour Acre &amp; Heyrod</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 8</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed8.php">Scout Mill &amp; Mossley</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 9</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed9.php">Mossley</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 10</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed10.php">Hartshead Pike</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 11</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed11.php">Greenhurst &amp; Hurst Nook</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 12</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed12.php">Hurst Cross &amp; Higher Hurst</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 13</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed13.php">Luzley &amp; Hazlehurst</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 14</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed14.php">Smallshaw &amp; Wilshaw</a></div></li>
                <li><p>Enumeration District 15</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/description1841ed15.php">Hurst Brook</a></div></li>
                <li><p>The Workhouse</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/descriptionworkhouse1841.php">Union Workhouse</a></div></li>
            </ul>
            <p class="center">Also included here are the Kelly's Directory Entries for Hurst from 1905 and 1918.</p>
            <p class="dlinks">To view them, please click the relevant link:
                <a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/kellyshurst.php">Kelly's Hurst 1905</a>
                <a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/kellyshurst1918.php">Kelly's Hurst 1918</a>
            </p>
    <!--webbot bot="phpLMarkup" startspan -->
            <div class="buttonHolder">
                <button onClick="window.location='http://www.c5d.co.uk/hurstpages.php'">Return to the Hurst Pages</button></div>
            </div>
        </div>
        <p class="copy">&copy;C5D-Certificates</p>
    </body>
    </html>

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    Antony, the last list item on 1841.php is missing an opening <div>
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    <li><p>The Workhouse</p><div><a href="http://www.c5d.co.uk/descriptionworkhouse1841.php">Union Workhouse</a></div></li>
    Also, these <span> tags can be deleted. They are unnecessary.
    Code:
    <span>To view them, please click the relevant link:</span>
    Finally: the stylesheet link at the top of the page can be deleted. It was my test link and is unnecessary now.
    Code:
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="census1841b.css" type="text/css" media="screen">

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    Thanks as ever for this lot.

    It has worked well for all 9 pages, except the last one www.c5d.co.uk/1811.php.

    Which bit of the CSS centres the lines. I have tried looking at all of the CSS you provided and trying various combinations but the pargraphs stubbornly stick to the left

    Antony

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    Follow this very carefully because it is really tricky.

    First, delete all 3 of the new things on the css sheet that pertain to census1811.

    Second, make the following change:
    Code:
    .census1811,      /* add this line exactly, including the comma */
    .census1841 {                /* ul - list of districts for 1841 - replaces ED, ED1q, ED3 */
        list-style-type:none;
        display:table;
        padding:0;
        margin:0 auto;
    }
    Third, enjoy a cup of tea.

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    One more thing...

    Remember that pesky stray <p> tag that's been following you around? Well, it's baaaaak.
    Code:
    <p><p class="one">There is another way. ......
    It seems to be annoyingly resilient.

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    I thought that by specifying it seperately it would do the same thing, which I had done, but by doing what you suggest it doesn't quite do what I want it to do because the line spacing is different.


    However now that I know which one centres the paragraph, this is what I have done and it works fine

    .census1811 { /*centres the para & specifies the line space */
    list-style-type:none;
    display:table;
    padding:0;
    margin:0 auto;line-height:25px;
    }


    Now I can have that coffee

    Antony

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    I think that the additional <p> has gone for good now. How do you spot them ? A trained eye ? A program ? Only everything does validate OK

    Antony

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    Antony, please revert to my recommendation:

    Insert that one line.

    AND ADD below everything else:
    Code:
    .census1811 li {
        line-height:25px;
    }

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    OK, done.

    Thanks

    Antony

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    Just when I thought it was fine, I have come across a browser incompatability problem.

    If you look at the drop down menus in IE and firefox, then some of the appear to be cut off at the bottom. Can you give me a clue how to resolve this ?

    It works fine in Chrome

    Antony

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    Which page has the problem, Antony? The drop-down menus work OK for me in Firefox, IE8 and Chrome. Nothing is being cut off.

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    If I go to www.c5d.co.uk/homepage.php then hover over Northern Ireland, Eire, Censuses and NZ, then the drop downs appear cut off

    Antony

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    Antony, the problem with the drop-down menus on the homepage is specific to IE9. That's why I didn't see it.

    There is most likely something less-than-ideal about the coding of those menus (or maybe it's just an IE9 bug). Either way, the following add will work around it.

    cd5dropdownmenu, Line 105:
    Code:
    #subMenusContainer li {
        list-style: none;
        white-space:nowrap;    /* ADD this property */
    }
    You didn't ask, but...

    The HTML on the homepage is a disaster of unmatched tags. I started to nag about that stray <p> tag again, but realized that much of the text on that page is not between matched tags. Whether this page "works" or not is entirely up to individual browsers.

    Since your editor does not help, I STRONGLY recommend that you break tradition and INDENT your code. You will find text without tags and text and other items between mismatched tags, etc. About a zillion opportunities for the layout to be different in different browsers. Let this be a worthwhile departure from tradition.

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    Thanks for the tip. I have done what you say, and added that CSS. It works fine.

    I'm not sure what you mean about the HTML being a disaster. I know you don't like the layout, but it validates fine on my HTML editor and also when I look at it in Chrome it also says that there are no errors.

    Without re writing the page for me can you give me an example of what you mean ?

    Thanks

    Antony

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    it validates fine on my HTML editor and also when I look at it in Chrome it also says that there are no errors.
    Validators only respond to the things that they are programmed to recognize. I advocate using the validator; but one must recognize its limitations, too. I do not know why the HTML5 validator is so lax about code structure. Perhaps because the standard is still unfinished? Failing to report stray tags or improperly constructed forms does not mean that they do not exist and does not mean that they are unimportant. It just means that the validator isn't reporting them. If you accept the output of the validator as the literal voice of "right" vs "wrong", "good" vs "bad", you are deceiving yourself.

    Why did you choose an HTML5 doctype for your revised web site, Antony?

    That's a rhetorical question. No answer expected.

    The HTML5 doctype validates with zero errors and 2 unidentified warnings in Firefox. That's pretty nice to see, isn't it.

    Want to try an interesting experiment? Change the doctype on your homepage to HTML4.01 Strict and run the validator again.
    Code:
    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
    Hmmmm. A disconcerting 25 errors. But WHY? After all... it's the same code, and the HTML5 validator said it was all good. Why isn't it still good in the HTML4 validator? Are the errors real? Yes, most of them are, and most of them involve that form. Pretty intense, huh? But none of them say anything about stray <p> tags. So, it still must be "pretty good", don't ya think?

    Feelin pumped? Just for fun, try changing the doctype to an XHTML1.0 Strict and run the validator again. Be sure you're sitting down.
    Code:
    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
    Read it and weep... 189 errors. This one catches the stray <p> tags, and a lot more. But to be fair, it also flags "empty" tags like <br> and <img> because the XHTML spec expects slashes before the closing greater-than symbol (which, in contrast, will flag an error in an HTML4 validator). Are most of these valid errors? Well, maybe about 170 or so might be.

    But, did ya notice that none of these validators flagged any of the text that is outside of an appropriate container (such as <p> tags)? So, even the strictest of validators doesn't catch everything.

    I know you don't like the layout,
    You are so wrong. What I like or don't like is totally irrelevent. I wish for you to be able to read and relate to your own layout. You seem to be persistently unclear about the code on your pages, so I am repeatedly suggesting a technique that makes it EASY to see how things are actually laid out.

    Case in point...

    Without re writing the page for me [em]can you give me an example of what you mean?[/em]
    You are asking for an example of the same stray <p> tag that we've addressed several times before, examples of text that is not between matched tags (typically <p> tags), or not between tags at all, YET these are very simple things that you can spot yourself.

    I nag about indenting code because it is something very EASY that anyone can do to visualize the HTML structure of their page and to account for the HTML tags. It makes missing or misplaced tags practically jump out at you. But it takes a little more time and you do not seem to value the benefit. That's your prerogative. So be it.

    The request you are making, "show me some examples", is ironically the reason I have suggested trying an indented code technique. Doing so would allow you to spot the problems yourself. Do you think I do anything different to find those examples for you? It's not magic.

    Tools such as the validator help, techniques such as indenting are helpful to see how the HTML is structured, programming editors that color brackets are beneficial, etc. Being able to read your code a year from now and understand how it works is worth a little extra effort today, in my book.

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    I have corrected about half of the errors which you suggested with this strict validator.

    I chose this format <!DOCTYPE html>
    <html lang="en"><head>

    because it was suggested at the outset of this project that this was the format to use.

    I am loathe to do much with the Paypal provided HTML because obviously the form has to work and that's where a lot of the errors seem to be.

    Can you suggest anything ?

    Antony

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    Please tell me if this image represents something that you can live with or describe what modifications are needed to make it satisfactory.

    homepage4d.jpg

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    The image is <pending waiting approval> at present so I cannot really see.

    Hopefully it will be available this evening after work

    Antony

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    Thanks for this. Now that I have seen the image, I can go with most of it, but even though the Paypal and XE modules are centred, I'd still like the red headings down the left hand side.

    There are in 8 or 9 of these type of pages each with different Paypal coding. Is it easy to resolve


    Antony

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    I want to be sure about the PayPal requirement.... Please pick an image or describe something else.

    1.homepage4.jpg 2.homepage4d-2.jpg 3.homepage4d-3.jpg 4.homepage4d-4.jpg

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    Th eimages are visiblenow, and for me option2 is best one

    Thanks


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