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    SitePoint Member imagineer's Avatar
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    There seem to be alot of younger web developers around these days ( check out http://www.sitepointforums.com/showt...?threadid=7123 ) so why not see whether its a good thing? All those under 18 webmasters' web sites versus the over adults'!

    I have 2 examples of great sites deigned by under 18s:

    http://www.saintolaves.net (school site made totally by pupils and was voted best school site in the UK)
    and http://www.123hyperlinks.com made by forums regular Lars

    So anyone know of good sites made by adults? It'll be hard finding them

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    Interesting thread - flames will surely come into play.

    All I've got to show off right now is http://www.MovieForums.com - created the logo and such...not a complete layout however, since it's currently a customized layout using vBulletin.

    http://www.DomainMailings.com is another - created by myself with some assistance on the graphics from Eric Radtke (eradtke) of these forums...

    Here's the one I'm probably most proud of:

    http://www.AlleghenyInstitute.com/press.php3 - not done (you'll get some 404 errors), but the layout is there.

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    Thankyou for the positive response to my site! I have only been familier with webpage programming for 1 year now and 123Hyperlinks.com is the first site I made and it's made 100% by myself.

    Young people also learn faster than adults because of all the spare time they have to learn it. I don't think adults are as interested in learning as young people . That's how I experience it while I'm learing.

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    Im not sure about you Lars but I dont have that much free time... i do most of my web programming in my work time (or should i say school time??). I think that the problem that older ppl have is that computers and/or the internet are a relativly new thing to them. Even for those who are 19-25 the relativly high speed internet connection (i mean MSIE rather than telnet etc...) which allow HTML, Images and very recently WML to be used. If you ever see any of these web millionaires who made their money on a quick web site they set-up the day before, they are all about 20-25.
    It took me ages to persuade me mum and dad to use the 'net to shop and work but they have realised how good it is and almost decided to get a permenant cable connection to lower my internet bill.
    The truth is that when us 13-18 year olds are 21+, the 13-18 year olds then will have been born knowing PHP and ASP and the internet will have to adapt to suite them, not adults.

    Sometimes i wish the net was aimed at us more, but not in the Barney the dinasaure and Tellytubbies way.

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    I agree with that...I feel so lucky to be my age at this time...of course 100 years from now people will look back at how "primitive" our Internet is.

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    Do you really think that the "internet" will still exsist then? I probably wont be a big deal - all computers will probably be networked. Just imagin a 100 terrabit net connection, that would may even be slow at the rate new modems are being churned out!!

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    I have to say I'm quite proud of http://www.pawsitronic.com, designed by a 20-year old, using purely HTML and some dhtml/javascript.

    I'm really impressed by all the young developers here; their programming and networking skills amaze me. I also have to give Sitepoint itself two paws up..if I remember correctly, Matt himself is in the 20-some range. That much work and dedication put into a site definitely deserves some praise.

    At the rate internet technology is growing, our children may learn to point-and-click before they learn to write!


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    I'm pretty sure SitePoint hired some professionals to design their site...although the old WR design was pretty good.

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    I myself am a minor, and I can tell you http://www.sports-central.org (my site) was created by teenagers. I think "young" people can have good sites, too, but they really can't compete with the knowledge of "old" people.

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    I'm 15 and I have a couple of clients, I took most of my sites offline though, so I have nothing to show.
    russell.cz.cc - coming soon (I promise!)

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    Sites made by Adults:
    http://www.sitepoint.com
    http://www.4guysfromrolla.com
    http://www.glassdog.com
    http://www.razorfish.com
    http://www.webreview.com
    http://www.webreference.com
    http://wdvl.com
    http://www.bratta.com
    http://www.brainjar.com

    And of course a few little known sites:
    http://www.yahoo.com
    http://www.lycos.com
    http://www.go.com
    http://www.goto.com
    http://www.nickelodeon.com
    http://www.disney.com
    http://www.msnbc.com
    http://www.toysrus.com
    http://www.dillards.com (I am registed for Wedding gifts here)
    Plus about 2 or 3 million more.

    Of course my point being is that while there are some great sites out there run by young adults, minors, children whatever you want to be called. There are many more run, built and designed by adults. Web design is a multi-billion dollar industry in the United States alone. This figure only tracks large design firms. The statistics gatherers really don't have the manpower to account for all the little one-person shops and people making websites on their lunch breaks.
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    'Adults' are busy working and designing the sites that so impress you, just as 'youth' are busy working and designing sites, etc, etc. -- the 'youth' just participate more in the multitude of forums, that's all. This does not give the reality of internet interaction or expertise other than the opinions of those that take the time to post. And having someone in your life that is not computer-savvy, does not the entire adult community make...

    The age issue is not going away anytime soon although it does get tiresome. Web Learning Forums often lose their focus and become so wrapped up in proclaimations of being the youngest web designer ever, the user with the most posts, the chat room participant with the most words, what name is attached to your user name -- and have become just as competitive as any 9-to-5 work environment. Why include the issue of age and isolate yourselves from what can be learned from us all...? You just dont' see many people over 20 informing the world about their age, "I'm 34 1/2, will be 35 in November" -- it isn't a concern and just isn't brought up over coffee.

    We all need to be proud if we have accomplished but attaching an age to it just doesn't matter any more. May have had an impact early in the DotCom days, but now you need to move on and learn to survive in the real, ever shifting, working day world. Education may not be in the classroom but learning never ends. With the Internet and web design there is no one way to do anything or else there wouldn't be such a wide range of opinions. Businesses are only 'bottom line' concerned with the quality and professionalism that you can contribute to the success of their product or service. Attaching any kind of stigma saying that 'old' people don't learn, don't want to learn and can't learn is just as discriminatory as when someone young isn't given the respect that he or she deserves. Why keep this attitude alive when you have the chance to change it...it won't be long until you will be looking across the conference table at someone 10yrs your junior, or needing their assistance on a project that you are working on and I'm sure you won't want them to have an 'age' attitude towards you.

    Any good business is a teamwork of exceptional people. Even if it is a one person operation, you need this same teamwork ability or attitude for such situations as when you need to out-source work and successfully promote your business. Just read all the posts on the inability of businesses/websites to respond to consumer's complaints and suggestions. They need to react to all their inquiries as if the person was across the counter asking you a question face-to-face. There more to running a successful site than the design...and with the numbers of techno-savvy people increasing as we speak, the competition will only become more difficult and success harder to obtain. Age will be irrelevant.

    The Internet is boundless, don't let it close the doors on anyone...

    Dlynn :: SitePoint Senior Advisor ::
    PawPrint Designs by WebKat
    "Dogs come when they're called; Cats take a message and get back to you later." ~ Mary Bly

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    Thanx for that err... um... essay by WebKat there...
    The only reason Adults make so many more sites than us "minors" is simple because most of them are Jobs. Im sure that there are many more sites made from nothing for nothing that kids webmaster.
    Im sure that if under16s were allowed to work (in the UK at least) then the amount of money-making youth sites would mushroom.

    Anyways here are some other great youth made sites:
    1: http://www.macresources.net (made by my m8)
    2: http://www.bromleyguitarsociety.co.uk (made by another m8)

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    "Children...Future...children...future"

    sorry, that simpsons episode where Springfield gets the olympics was just on.... and yknow...


    I have to agree with WebKat... while there are a number of very talented young designers and programmers, age, experience and the full-time syndrome mean adults really cane... unfortunately.

    Now if we didnt have to go to school....

    heheh

    Adam


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