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    I'm sure I read how to do this somewhere...

    It involves (I think) using Word - can anyone help?
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    I moved this thread to a more appropriate forum.
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    That's how do I put the newsletter into HTML form. My problem didn't show up as well as I thought once inside the thread. It involved getting rid of the <br> somehow, but I don't know how to do this without getting rid of paragraphs too. Any help?
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    You can always write it in Outlook and then choose to send it as HTML. Personally I would use a normal text newsletter as I myself cannot recieve HTML at work.

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    Originally posted by Nicky
    You can always write it in Outlook and then choose to send it as HTML. Personally I would use a normal text newsletter as I myself cannot recieve HTML at work.
    Yeah, I don't see why anyone would use a HTML newsletter. Your site is already in HTML and your newsletter should be an alternative. Not all mail clients support HTML e-mail and it loads slow...

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    I would definetly recommend against an HTML newsletter. I have a 28.8 dialup connection, and if I have to wait for an HTML newsletter to load up, chances are I am going to delete it and unsubscribe from the list right there on the spot.

    Some people seem to prefer an HTML newsletter, so I guess it really matters on what your subscribers want. Try posting a survey on your site, and make an announcement in your newsletter. Then wait and see what people vote on, if more people favor the HTML over plain text then go with the HTML.

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    If you really want to go for it then let your subscribers choose which version they wish to subscribe to and then send both out!

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    Doh!

    Sorry, I wasn't clear enough!

    I always send my newsletter out intext form, not HTML, but I was looking for an easier way to convert it to HTML for my website archive.

    Hope someone can help!
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    In that case, the easiest way to do it would be to copy and paste into an HTML editor such as Word, and save it as an HTML file.

    Then, add all your links and other design elements to blend it in to the rest of your site.

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    Well Gang, I guess I'll have to be the odd man out on this one.

    Most newsletters have a twofold objective. One, they want to spread information. That is true. But two, they are trying to get the user to take action - and that means they are designed to generate some kind of a click through.

    The click through rate for HTML e-mail is many times higher than that for standard text e-mail. I realize that some folks can not read HTML e-mail, but to an extent this can be alleviated by asking your users if they can receive HTML e-mail when they sign up for your newsletter. Additionally, what you will lose in the way of the few people who can not read HTML e-mail will easily be made up for with the increased CTR.

    In my humble opinon.

    So, if ya want to use HTML e-mail here is how you do it.

    1) Upload any messages you are going to use in your e-mail to your server.

    2) Make a web page.

    3) Insert desired graphics into the web page using absolute links.
    (i.e <img src="http://yourdomain.com/images/thegraphic.gif">
    (make sure you specify the graphic height and width)

    4) Open Outlook Express and use the new web page as a template.

    5) Send that puppy out.

    That's all there is to it.

    And if you would like a place to send HTML e-mail via a web interface check out:

    http://web-shorts.com/mm/HTMLEmail/default.asp



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    I've got to agree with JK. Of all the newsletters that I receive, I always opt for the HTML version when available. However, I would definitly offer a plain text version.

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    Interesting to read what JK_Bowman had to say. This debate crops up every once in a while in these kind of forums and usually HTML ezines get the thumbs-down.

    Whether you like it or not, we are now almost into the second year of the 21st century. Plain text emails might have been OK circa-1996, but I believe that in a couple of years time they will be positively anachronistic.

    I keep reading that some people can't get plain text messages.

    We switched our ezine at http://www.1lit.com from plain-text to HTML-only two months ago. We can do so much more with HTML. Out of 300 subscribers only ONE person unsubscribed when we made the switch (we didn't offer a plain text version alternative).

    Who are these people who can't read HTML emails? Cavemen?

    As far as I know, most email programs, be they Outlook Express, Hotmail, Yahoo mail or AOL can read HTML messages.

    And, without meaning to sound cruel, if they have still got 386 computers and some ice-age email program, then we're not desperate for them to subscribe to our ezine. Looking at it from a cost-benefit analysis, these people with ancient computers/connections are probably less likely to buy anything through advertising in the ezine anyway. So they're not that valuable to us...

    Just my 2 cents...

    I'd be interested to know what others had to say.

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    HTML newsletters are definitely more eye-catching, and a heckuva lot cooler than plain text - however there will always be those who do not like them - either because they're not used to such a thing, or their email client does not support it.

    If you have the time, simply put out two versions of the newsletter - if you do some custom scripting, you could probably even automate the creation of the secondary version.

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    Thanks for your comments. It's just not cost effective to waste time converting our (highly-complex) HTML ezine into a plain text format.

    Our ezine - http://www.1Lit.com - is a literary one, so it's not read by geeks with hi-tec computers. Yet, we've not had a single complaint since we converted.

    It is possible to read the ezine online, so if somebody's email program can't read HTML messages, they can simply visit our website.

    Just out of interest: which email clients can't read HTML messages? Can AOL?

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    Yes I believe AOL can.

    Like I said: if you don't think it's worth the time, hiring a programmer for some custom scripting would do the trick - I don't think it would be terribly complicated anyway.

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    Originally posted by TWTCommish
    HTML newsletters are definitely more eye-catching, and a heckuva lot cooler than plain text.
    True... but many don't want a fancy-schmancy newsletter... they just want the news and content. Would you want a newsletter to be full of rainbow colors and all kind of do-hickies? Nope.

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    Oh of course not, but I havn't yet seen an HTML newsletter with anything more than some nice colors and a logo basically to spice things up.

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    Hello,

    I believe that the best and most profesional thing to do is to let the user choose what he want. Create txt and html newsletter,... and the problem is solved...

    We created 3 different/same newsletters : AOL,HTML and TXT..

    HTML Newsletter is created using Homesite 2.5

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    Hello.
    If you want to use an HTML newsletter, then just put <html> and </html> tags at the beginning and end of your message. In between them, just code like you normally would. Do NOT put in head or body taga.
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    I don't believe that will work - I've tried sending emails to myself to and from different email clients with plain HTML inside, and It never processes. I think there is more to it.

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    Hi

    It is really very simple. Create an usual HTML page and send it like newsletter. Of course, each user can choose NOT to accept HTML messages in it's mail client.

    That might be the problem...

    That is all
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    I always go for the HTML as well, don't mind the load time even though I'm on 56k. They just look so much nicer, and a lot easier on the eye as well.

    To create a HTML newsletter, just create the newsletter as a webpage, then go to Outlook Express, and go to Send, you'll have options like plain text, template, and one is HTML, select that, it'll ask you what page you wanna send, select it, and Outlook Express will automatically edit the links, etc.

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    To create a HTML newsletter, just create the newsletter as a webpage, then go to Outlook Express, and go to Send, you'll have options like plain text, template, and one is HTML, select that, it'll ask you what page you wanna send, select it, and Outlook Express will automatically edit the links, etc.
    The only way I have found to send a webpage using Outlook is..message>new message using>webpage..

    The only thing I don't like about this is that if you send the email to say, yahoo, all the graphics that are in the newsletter also appear at the bottom as attachments. I get a few HTML newsletters through yahoo and none of them ever have graphics below the newsletter itself. It seemed to work fine when viewing it through outlook, meaning there were no attachements or anything.

    Anyone have any ideas how to stop this from happening?
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    BobM: in 'New Message' uncheck 'Send pictures with message' under 'Format'.

    Then graphics won't be sent with HTML emails as attachments

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    ahhh haaa...That worked perfectly. Thank you very much nazam. I was beginning to think that this was some well guarded secret
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