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    Is KaZaa Lite legal?

    Just wondering: is the Lite ("hacked") version of KaZaa Media Desktop legal?

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    Using the program? Downloading files with it?

    Which one do you mean?

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    I meant is it legal that KaZaa Media Desktop can be hacked and repackaged as KaZaa Lite . Also, it would be good to know if installing it is legal or not.

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    In Norway at least, I don't think you can be "punished" for downloading and/or installing stuff... But if you share it... That's another question... That's when it becomes illegal...

    I'm not 100% sure on this one... But so I'm told...

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    What is the difference, from the media industry's point of view, between Kazaa and Kazaa Lite? Not much, I'd suspect.
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    I'm not really talking about the copyrights thing with regards to the media you can share. It's more like, can someone take someone's product and hack it (in this case to remove the 3rd party software and spyware, which is a good thing imho) legally?

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    Ok. Is Trillian legal? What about Chili!ASP? Is MusicMatch legal since they play WMA and RealAudio?
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    You are missing the point Aaron

    I'm talking about modifying someone else's product is legal. Of course this can be done for "free" software such as those under GPL and such, but what about KaZaa Media Desktop?

    KaZaa Lite is "Kazaa Media Desktop" only with some functionality removed, so I wouldn't really put Trillian, MusicMatch, and much less ChilliSoft ASP in the same group.

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    I know what you're saying, but there's 2 things:

    1) the products I mentioned are NOT GPL'ed. They are proprietary.

    2) How do you modify compiled source? I'm pretty sure KL is it's own software, similar but not identical to KMD. I know I, for one, can't take KMD and modify it.

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    I'm not sure how they did it either, but they managed to take KaZaa Media Desktop and remove 3rd party software and spyware. What I'm asking is is that legal, that's all... I really don't see how Trillian, MusicMatch even come into the topic at all

    Yes the products you mentioned are proprietary but they were built from the ground up. The reasons they _could_ be illegal is because they make use of other companies' proprietary software (for Chillisoft - MS ASP, for Trillian - AIM, MSN messenger, etc). Isn't that "different" from the KaZaa Lite and KMD case?

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    Originally posted by redemption
    Isn't that "different" from the KaZaa Lite and KMD case?
    I don't see how that's different. Using a proprietary network....using a proprietary software. I don't know.

    I use Trillian and MM, by the way.

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    heh - Joel, you mean that different company relesed the lite version?

    hehe - who want to help release windowsXP Lite - could be a good seller! h

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    KaZaa Lite, AFAIK, is a "hacked" version of KMD, by erm, someguy(s). Nobody's making any money out of KaZaa Lite.

    It is different to me *shrug*

    <edit>I am using KaZaa Lite right now btw</edit>
    Last edited by redemption; Dec 20, 2002 at 06:26.

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    It is not legal to take someone else's work, change it, and republish it as your own.

    There are plenty of non-spyware file sharing programs out there. Bearshare for one. It will try to install a program called savenow but you can remove it and the program will still work.
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    Originally posted by aspen
    It is not legal to take someone else's work, change it, and republish it as your own.
    That's what I needed to know (though it's pretty obvious -- I was wondering why no legal action has been taken).

    Hmm, so if I use it is it legal?

    Originally posted by aspen
    There are plenty of non-spyware file sharing programs out there.
    Could you point me to some? I checked out Bearshare at Download.com and some of the user reviews say there still is spyware despite Bearshare's proclamations to the contary. Of course, all these user reviews should be taken with a big pinch of salt

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    I seem to remeber when installing Kazaa Lite that it explicity tells you it is illegal.

    Been awhile though.

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    Wow, that was a circular conversation. Just to echo Chris, reverse-engineering software (common enough) is in itself illegal, and so reverse-engineering and repackaging is most certainly illegal even if only from a licensing and copyright perspective
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    Originally posted by redemption

    That's what I needed to know (though it's pretty obvious -- I was wondering why no legal action has been taken).

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    From memory at one stage the Kazaa people were mumbling about taking legal action against those who developed Lite, but I don't know if anything came of it. Possibly Kazaa has enough hassles on their hands to worry about Lite at the moment.

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    Bearshare does have spyware - but you can remove it.

    It installs a program called "SaveNow" and says that the program will not work without it - not true. Just remove savenow after installation and it'll be fine.

    Additionally there are other programs like limewire I think it's called. Just search for "gnutella sharing program" and I'm sure you'll find alot. Kazaa is just a more popular one but they all use the same network.
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    Another one is WinMX, it's spyware-free.

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    My thoughts on Kazaa/Kazaa Lite:

    Company A puts out a product that many find "questionable" and others find "illegal". Said product includes many other products that mess with other things you own. Now, company (or group of people) B "cleans up" Company A's product and gives it away. Even if it's NOT legal, why do you care? Kazaa itself is barely legal!

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    If it's in the US, hey, everything's legal here.

    By your standards = Yes it's legal
    By ethical standards = No, but it may be
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