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  • InkScape

    13 34.21%
  • Gimp

    14 36.84%
  • Adobe Photoshop

    17 44.74%
  • Adobe Illustrator

    11 28.95%
  • Adobe Fireworks

    5 13.16%
  • Adobe InDesign

    2 5.26%
  • Sketch (Bohemian Coding)

    0 0%
  • In browser design (ie HTML/CSS only)

    13 34.21%
  • Other

    6 15.79%
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    Quote Originally Posted by sega
    I consider myself a quite good and you've helped me on more than one occasion, so by definition you must be better than I am.
    If you helped me on more than one occasion what happens to your mental heirarchy? :D

    Quote Originally Posted by ryan
    It's hard to say that you're not as good as her just because she's answered a few questions. You probably know stuff that she doesn't.
    If you (Sega) know WP etc you certainly do already. I have zero experience setting up any kind of CMS... just debugging Magento is about as far as it goes, and that wasn't pleasant or anything. I'm very restricted in my skills and what I can do. People want polymaths I guess.

    I'm not doing web development but mostly because of no job than that I was sick of it or anything. But also doing other things out of interest.

    Quote Originally Posted by sega
    If I remember correctly Stomme poes was an adviser here at SitePoint, such badge of expertise is not given lightly
    Mentor. Advisors are moderators (in green).
    Ryan's prolly helped many more people directly on the forums than I have. Especially when he first got here, he was willing to dig deep into slimey nasty smelly code of someone to find where their problem was... much more than I'm willing to. Remember mentors are chosen by other people here too, so things like personal preferences, politics, bias, etc have just as much influence as knowledge re badges etc. So far as I know, nobody discussed my merits beforehand. Maybe someone saw my name showing up too much, during one of these periods of Too Much Posting.
    I can list a good number of people who aren't and never were mentors/staff here who have expertise that blows the mind. In particular, Crusty was one of a handful who helped me get started. I'll say most of the people I have in mind now have gotten member of the month though.

    Quote Originally Posted by sega
    In fact even considering yourself as an 'expert' is wrong, as nobody is ever complete.
    It seems in computing and web development in general, people shy away from "expert" in favour of more awesome-sounding things like "ninja", "rockstar", "jedi", and having good something-fu.
    I continue to see jobs for ninjas and the such. They're funny.

    As mentioned earlier in this thread, there's "Photoshop jockey" which is often also coupled with "pixel wrangler".

    Also, I think this thread doesn't need any more derailing about the economy and me and whatnot... wasn't my intention, I just spewed a bit too much. This was a good thread. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubble
    I mostly use Imagemagick...
    That prolly should have been in the poll! There are many versions of it for various web languages (there's phpmagick, perlmagick, etc). Gary Turner who used to be around here more often does almost all his editing in ImageMagick: cropping, rotating, resizing, adjusting colour.... maybe something for you, ParkinT?

    Quote Originally Posted by techmichelle
    The one thing I will admit to missing Photoshop for is CYMK (Print) and a lot of Graphics designers use it. Either my clients want the graphics designer to send me something or they want me to send the graphics designer something I did. Or my clients want to print something I did, still looking for that perfect RGB to CYMK converter.
    This, and lack of LAB, are right now prolly the GIMP's two biggest missing things. And people have been asking the GIMP devs for CYMK for... ever.
    There are plugins, though I've never used them. The biggest name seems to be called

    separate+

    Have you tried it?

    The two things printers always demanded of me when we sent files to them for printing (logos and whatnot) were
    -vectors
    -cymk

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    If you helped me on more than one occasion what happens to your mental heirarchy?
    Yep Help and help a-like :P

    If you (Sega) know WP etc you certainly do already. I have zero experience setting up any kind of CMS... just debugging Magento is about as far as it goes, and that wasn't pleasant or anything. I'm very restricted in my skills and what I can do. People want polymaths I guess.
    WP is fun, it's really easy to learn. Just download it and set things up locally. It's very easy.
    follow me on ayyelo, Easy WordPress; specializing in setting up themes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    If you (Sega) know WP etc you certainly do already. I have zero experience setting up any kind of CMS... just debugging Magento is about as far as it goes, and that wasn't pleasant or anything. I'm very restricted in my skills and what I can do. People want polymaths I guess.
    I'm the same way. I have 0 personal experience in systems like Wordperss
    I'm not doing web development but mostly because of no job than that I was sick of it or anything. But also doing other things out of interest.


    Mentor. Advisors are moderators (in green).
    Ryan's prolly helped many more people directly on the forums than I have. Especially when he first got here, he was willing to dig deep into slimey nasty smelly code of someone to find where their problem was... much more than I'm willing to. Remember mentors are chosen by other people here too, so things like personal preferences, politics, bias, etc have just as much influence as knowledge re badges etc. So far as I know, nobody discussed my merits beforehand. Maybe someone saw my name showing up too much, during one of these periods of Too Much Posting.
    Well I only helped that many people because I have nothing else to do with my time. Although my early young-years antics probably screwed me of any advancement in these forums. 90% of the staff members here are very politically correct and polite. Rudy can have a joking mannor to him, and it's all in good fun. Everyone else seems to have too much professionalism to them. My take on it anyway.
    I can list a good number of people who aren't and never were mentors/staff here who have expertise that blows the mind. In particular, Crusty was one of a handful who helped me get started. I'll say most of the people I have in mind now have gotten member of the month though.
    Goes back to politics. He's psised too many people off here. His knowledge is astounding though. I certainly make sure to read everything he posts. Although I do tone out his rantings about crap that does't matter .


    It seems in computing and web development in general, people shy away from "expert" in favour of more awesome-sounding things like "ninja", "rockstar", "jedi", and having good something-fu.
    I continue to see jobs for ninjas and the such. They're funny.

    As mentioned earlier in this thread, there's "Photoshop jockey" which is often also coupled with "pixel wrangler".

    Also, I think this thread doesn't need any more derailing about the economy and me and whatnot... wasn't my intention, I just spewed a bit too much. This was a good thread. [/ot]
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    For a quick two cents worth...

    I use Photoshop, Illustrator, Inkscape, GIMP and Blender. As tools GIMP has come a long way but does not have as many advanced algorithms for image correction so with GIMP you have do the same sort of work with Channels (apply filters to these and image maps) to do some of the more advanced stuff that Photoshop does. I prefer Inkscape to Illustrator when I am using my tablet as the tablet control is more responsive and lets me work almost like I would on paper. I still use Illustrator for logo and sign design. I have a huge banner printer that will take a native illustrator file but not inkscape without exporting plus I know illustrator and have always used it for banner and logo so I haven't given inkscape a good shot.

    I am in the ralph.m camp as I no longer design anything on a website in a graphic program first. So I lay up the content and design as much as I can with C.S.S. and lastly place as minimal of graphics as I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serverstorm
    As tools GIMP has come a long way but does not have as many advanced algorithms for image correction so with GIMP you have do the same sort of work with Channels (apply filters to these and image maps) to do some of the more advanced stuff that Photoshop does.
    Partially because Adobe patents those algorithms... (usually open source or other companies get around that by writing similar-but-different algorithms... what inkscape does), and partially because nobody has bothered trying to write them. Though if you're smart you can write your own in Python or something with Script-Fu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    Partially because Adobe patents those algorithms... (usually open source or other companies get around that by writing similar-but-different algorithms... what inkscape does), and partially because nobody has bothered trying to write them. Though if you're smart you can write your own in Python or something with Script-Fu.
    So true. I originally started with photoshop version 1 so I used to have to create all my own filters and corrective algorithms so I don't find it difficult in GIMP. I run Linux for my desktop so I use GIMP more frequently than Photoshop and it suits most of my needs without problems. Customers don't seem to see that stuff I've created in GIMP or Inkscape is any more or less professional looking than in Photoshop or Illustrator, my choice of what tool really comes down to the comfort level of the graphic task at hand. Like I said I use it less and less for layouts but still use it for picture composition/cleanup/cropping...

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    According to my view, These InkScape and Gimp are used for graphic design elements for web design projects and for design layouts & mock-ups. GIMP is mostly used as an open-source adobe photoshop equivalent. Inkscape is the open source Adobe illustrator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnberqo View Post
    According to my view, These InkScape and Gimp are used for graphic design elements for web design projects and for design layouts & mock-ups. GIMP is mostly used as an open-source adobe photoshop equivalent. Inkscape is the open source Adobe illustrator.
    True remarks about GIMP - it does not have all the modern auto corrective features of the latest Photoshop, but is more than adequate for most web-sites graphical needs. Inkscape tablet support is terrific. The pressure sensitive controls have a tonne of nuance and control. I find I can do better with Inkscape than Illustrator; although to be fair I have not spent nearly enough time recently with Illustrator for this to be a 'fair test'.

    Inkscape requires WAY LESS RAM than Illustrator. So on my ageing graphics machine it make a big difference when using it.
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    Devil's advocate... >:)

    Uhhh, I just happened to come across this post on a random search on Gimp and web dev, but it seems like a pretty good
    community and site so I registered as I thought through what I've realized about Pshop vs Gimp. So here's my spiel, another
    take for the original poster of the topic.

    I am actually amazed there wasn't one pro-Photoshop mention here.
    That says a lot about the advancements of alternate software through the years.
    There was a day when Pshop was the only option.

    But, here's my pro-Pshop version. (And I'm not a real advocate, just trying to suggest the "other side".)
    The thing is that I think it really depends on what kind of a site you want to make, what your likes and dislikes are.
    I know and have followed closely (and been a very big admirer of) sites which were graphics minimal in their construction,
    pro seo, accessibility and usability.
    That approach has made a lot of design houses their whole paycheck for a long while now.
    Read: Standards based design, Zeldman.com, et al.
    And the onset of the effect of mobile technology certainly pushes one toward leaving graphics behind.

    But the thing is, you know, I used to work in graphics, for 10 years, Photoshop every day.
    And then a lot of things happened to me in my outside of work life, and then I didn't work in it anymore,
    and I too have been a big fan of open source, especially as I didn't really need to use it for work and only small
    image manipulation now and then. So I've used Gimp for a while now. And, I didn't really have that much money
    as I went through the past years, so I went as cheap as possible. (You'll notice if you run through a lot of the above
    comments that that seems a common thread, old computers, low cost, you know, cheap!)
    Back in the old days I had expensive computers, Dec Alpha, the finest Viewsonic monitors. At home!
    But since I went cheap I've had a string of used computers, they all break all the time. (Except the used dual-chip
    G5 Mac I got, but that's PPC chip so I can't even run modern Firefox or Chrome or lots of other software on it.)
    And the monitors. I've had (cause I've been so used to the old beauty CRTs I used to use) a string of (used, cheap)
    but very nice CRT monitors, 19 inch, 21 inch, that kind. But I finally got to the point where I needed to get a newer
    computer to get the ball rolling with my company and modern software etc.
    So for 400 bucks I had this guy nearby build a brand new box for me, very nice H2 i7-capable (has duo core right now)
    board, 8 gig (GIG!) of ram, and damn, the new computer wouldn't recognize the CRTs.
    So I had to go out and buy a new widescreen LCD monitor. Like the first new one I've bought since 1996?
    I got this one:
    http://www.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/PB238Q/
    And my God, I realized, how foolish I was all this time. Hooked up to DVI, not even HDMI yet, it's like another world.

    I mean, websites I've looked at for all these years in the square screen format of the CRTs all of a sudden have all this other real estate
    and imagery. It's like back when I worked in graphics and there were all those experimental wild flash sites. Remember k10k?

    What I'm saying is is that with the more powerful computers and graphics cards nowadays, super cheap storage for websites (and
    devices), there is a side to this that imagery is making a comeback, at the same time that simplicity also is.
    Here's a popular guy who makes wordpress sites:
    http://www.briangardner.com/
    But look at one of his poems. Full screen images. (And look at it on a widescreen, beautiful.)
    Here's another site:
    http://www.fastcodesign.com/1670921/...eal-skin-tones
    (And again, I don't know if others are seeing the full version of these sites, as it may have to sdo with cpu speed and screen resolution to deliver...

    My main point is, that there are a lot of other movements underfoot that are very media heavy at the moment. From what I've seen Html5
    has multimedia capabilities right in itself that are going to compete every bit with flash. Whole books dedicated to html video, new inventions for html audio apps
    written in html5.
    https://developers.google.com/events/io/sessions

    Another very powerful part of the modern web is the advent of live text in (finally) graphically-oriented fonts.
    Here's a great diatribe about it which points out one reason just in itself to (possibly) go with adobe: fonts.
    http://www.briangardner.com/typekit-fonts/
    (Especially read the comments.)

    One last thing about cost. A few years ago my brother went to a thrift store and found an unopened box of Adobe Pshop CS2 for sale there for 2 dollars,
    and got it for me. With that i installed it, and never even used it much, but I did go through the hassle of working it out with Adobe to register it, it
    had been out for a number of years so I had to send them pics of the bar code, box, manual cd case or whatever. But man am I glad I did that.
    Recently I found out about this product, Adobe Creative Cloud. And just because I was a registered owner of a previous CS version, (I don't know if CS 1 would work),
    I qualify for this cloud at 29 bucks a month. The thing you have to understand about a lot of Pshop heads, is there's a benefit to the customer
    service aspects of Adobe that I've found (to say the least at times) wanting in open source, particularly the Gimp list. And an inclusion in not only
    a connection but interworking of each of the programs with each other that may or not function when you try to piece together a graphics suite
    piecemeal. And for a lot of graphics people, pshop is only an entry into the other more advanced programs, After Effects, Premiere, etc.
    Especially on the Mac, people just feel comfortable in that environment. For many it's all they've ever known since high or art school.
    http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud.html

    Multimedia is a burgeoning field out there. Don't get me wrong, there are new open source video offerings too.
    http://www.lwks.com/index.php?option...=45&Itemid=184
    One other area you have to consider is game production. I think with html5 and video you're (possibly) going to have an entirely new wave of game and media type sites.
    And another consideration is workflow management. If you just want to work by yourself, it's one thing, but if you have to incorporate
    yourself into someone else's workflow it may be another. Three's a whole new crop of collaborative efforts going on, from mutual coworking
    in Google+ or similar products.
    And that 8 gigabytes I got in this 400 dollar computer I just bought recently? I calculated the amount that would have cost me back when I bought that Dec Alpha in 1996. Back then 64 MEG of ram cost me 1000 bucks, so I calculate 8 gigs at about 1.3 MILLION dollars, were there a computer to hold the 8 gig of ram, which there wasn't. That's the power people (can) have in their desktops today. amazing.
    Some things to consider.
    'meist

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    Nice post, webmeist, and welcome to the forums. A lot of food for thought there.

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    Personally I use Adobe photoshop for mascot and web design. For logo I use adobe illustration. Can't compare it to other software though, cause these 2 are the only software I use. Gets the job done.


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