Hi All

Please don't think I'm a troll for this kind of msg.

Believe it or not, I was a day-to-day dev/lover of ASP classic some 5 or so
years ago, but work took me away from the whole web/asp scene. Fate (and my
job) has brought me back and it seems like I've been kept in stasis and the
four horsemen of the ASP apocolypse have been in and ravaged the world of
ASP classic.

ASP code seemed to be everywhere on google, but now everything has been
taken over by .net or something else. Its like somebody has put ASP classic
in a cupboard and we're not allowed to talk about it! The forums seem to have
taken a battering as well.

I've been a good lad and had a look at ASP.net (honestly I've never even
seen it until this week!) and all I can see is that they've forced us to use
an IDE and dumbed classic down. I know the last statement might seem a bit
strong, but all of this binding of controls, master pages, block login page
modules, etc are all well and good for the new user so that they can
virtually drag and drop a solution into a portion of their web site, but the
reason most of us coded via notepad was so that we had ultimate control over
how things looked and how they worked. Working a the code level enabled us
to make our code text very lean (MS Word HTML what a joke!) and we could use
numerous techonolgies (eg CSS, ASP, DOM, Javascript, ASP, COM, etc) in our
pages without any constraints but our brains. MS don't know how I work so
their 'in a box' modules will no doubt limit me rather than make thnigs
easier. Am I on my own on this??

The master pages thing is a classic as it talks about making common 'chunks'
for your pages, but the implementation (code wise) is way more confusing
than the simple include file method that we all used and we could stick
these includes any where we want and as many as we want.

The only thing that I thought they would do to improve ASP was to provide
more components/objects as part of the codebase like php does, eg ASP
upload, ASP > PDF, ASP > JPG, etc - all built-in rather than us having to
buy (or plead for from our ISP).

Is it actually possible to code ASP.net rather than drag and drop objects
like Visual Studio? I always did my ASP > DB stuff in code as you could do
all of this in very little lines of code and do whatever you want, but there
doesn't seem to be any 'raw coding' books out there. Everything is through
the GUI, but then the forums all post code solutions. Where are people
finding these source code examples??

Sorry for the rant. I'd prefer to stay ASP classic, but it seems like
everybody is putting it in the cupboard and moving on.

Rgds Mojo