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    Recap of my statement:

    Do me a favor and find me one physically or seriously mentally impaired person at birth who ever accomplished anything without special provisions being taken by society?[/b]
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    Mozart- Deaf
    Wrong, Wolfgang was picking out tunes by ear at the piano and by six he was composing

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    Roosevelt - wheelchair bound
    True but irrelevant, Franklin Roosevelt was born healthy in 1882 he did not become stricken with poliomyelitis until 1921. The man was already well established before being struck by polio. Obviously his handicap was not at birth.

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    Harriet Tubman - civil rights activist - Epilepsy
    Once again not a genetic disorder (did you do any research?). At 15 years old, Harriet tried to help a runaway slave. The overseer hit her in the head with a lead weight, which put Harriet in a coma. It took months for her to recover, and for the rest of her life, Harriet suffered from blackouts.

    http://www.incwell.com/Biographies/Tubman.html

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    Tom Wiggins - composer - autistic
    Scholars now believe Wiggins may have been autistic. He was however Blind which you failed to mention, but as a slave he was cared for by others.


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    Helen Keller - Activist- Deaf / Blind
    Once again NOT a genetic disorder. Helen Keller contracted a very high fever when she was two years old leaving her blind and deaf.

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    Jhamak Ghimire - Poet - cerebral palsy
    At least this one actually has a genetic disorder. Jhamak could not walk or cleanse herself. It was years before she could even feed herself. I think this constitutes "special provisions being taken by society".

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    Abraham Lincoln - schizophrenia
    I said "seriously mentally impaired person". Abe was hardly such a character. He suffered from bouts of depression.

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    Thomas Edison - deaf
    Once again NOT a genetic disorder. Edison contracted scarlet fever when he was 14 leaving him deaf in his left ear and 80% deaf in his right.
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    Originally posted by Hellbent
    True but irrelevant, Teddy was born healthy in 1882 he did not become stricken with poliomyelitis until 1921. The man was already well established before being struck by polio. Obviously his handicap was not at birth.
    I'm assuming you meant Franklin. Although, now that you mention Teddy... he also had MAJOR health problems when he was an infant. Not sure whether or not they were genetic though. If his dad hadn't been so wealthy and caring, Teddy would have never been Teddy.
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    the point is not how these people contracted their afflictions, but what they did inspite of them.

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    Over 750 million people in the world today have some type of disability. That is a huge amount of people, it’s three times as many people as there are in the United States. Not all of them gave up simply because of their disability. As a matter of fact, a number of them excelled in spite of their disability. Here are just a few and some suffered more than just one disability.

    Winston Churchill: had a learning disability

    Walt Disney: had a learning disability

    Edison: Had a learning disability. He couldn't read until he was twelve years old and had a very difficult time writing even when he was older.

    Albert Einstein: Mathematician/Physicist: Had a learning disability and did not speak until age 3. He had a very difficult time doing mathin school. It was very hard for him to express himself through writing.

    Other famous people who have learning disabilities: Cher, Tom Cruise,Whoopi Goldberg, Greg Louganis, Bruce Jenner, H.G. Wells

    Famous People with Spina Bifida:
    Buddy Winnett
    Bruce Payne
    John Cougar Mellencamp
    Quarterback Elvis Grbac
    CNN Co-anchor Judy Woodruff
    Olympian Jean Driscoll

    Famous People with Autism
    Doug Flutie
    Stephen J. Gould
    Dan Marino
    Beverly Sills
    Wynton and Brandford Marsalis
    Audrey Flack

    Famous People with Epilepsy
    Charles Dickens
    Agatha Christie
    Gustave Flaubert
    Socrates
    Pythagoras
    Vincent van Gogh
    Leonardo da Vinci
    Michelangelo
    Peter Tchaikovsky
    Georg Freidrich Handel

    Famous People who have Polio
    Tenley Albright
    Ben Bradlee
    Jean Chrétien
    Judy Collins
    CeDell Davis
    Walter "Buddy" Davis
    Mia Farrow
    Jack Nicklaus
    Horace Parlan
    Itzhak Perlman
    Franklin Delano Roosevelt
    David Sanborn
    Sir Walter Scott
    Lord Snowden
    Brooks Stevens

    Famous People that are blind:
    Stevie Wonder

    Most others have already been named here.

    Let's not forget Christopher Reeve.

    There are literally thousands of them.

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    Originally posted by RKuhle

    I'm assuming you meant Franklin. Although, now that you mention Teddy... he also had MAJOR health problems when he was an infant. Not sure whether or not they were genetic though. If his dad hadn't been so wealthy and caring, Teddy would have never been Teddy.
    Your right I meant Franklin.
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    wow, didn't know that Wynton Marsalis had Autism. I like him even more now

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    Originally posted by URAlly
    Over 750 million people in the world today have some type of disability. That is a huge amount of people, it’s three times as many people as there are in the United States. Not all of them gave up simply because of their disability. As a matter of fact, a number of them excelled in spite of their disability. Here are just a few and some suffered more than just one disability.

    Winston Churchill: had a learning disability

    Walt Disney: had a learning disability

    Edison: Had a learning disability. He couldn't read until he was twelve years old and had a very difficult time writing even when he was older.

    Albert Einstein: Mathematician/Physicist: Had a learning disability and did not speak until age 3. He had a very difficult time doing mathin school. It was very hard for him to express himself through writing.

    Other famous people who have learning disabilities: Cher, Tom Cruise,Whoopi Goldberg, Greg Louganis, Bruce Jenner, H.G. Wells

    Famous People with Spina Bifida:
    Buddy Winnett
    Bruce Payne
    John Cougar Mellencamp
    Quarterback Elvis Grbac
    CNN Co-anchor Judy Woodruff
    Olympian Jean Driscoll

    Famous People with Autism
    Doug Flutie
    Stephen J. Gould
    Dan Marino
    Beverly Sills
    Wynton and Brandford Marsalis
    Audrey Flack

    Famous People with Epilepsy
    Charles Dickens
    Agatha Christie
    Gustave Flaubert
    Socrates
    Pythagoras
    Vincent van Gogh
    Leonardo da Vinci
    Michelangelo
    Peter Tchaikovsky
    Georg Freidrich Handel

    Famous People who have Polio
    Tenley Albright
    Ben Bradlee
    Jean Chrétien
    Judy Collins
    CeDell Davis
    Walter "Buddy" Davis
    Mia Farrow
    Jack Nicklaus
    Horace Parlan
    Itzhak Perlman
    Franklin Delano Roosevelt
    David Sanborn
    Sir Walter Scott
    Lord Snowden
    Brooks Stevens

    Famous People that are blind:
    Stevie Wonder

    Most others have already been named here.

    Let's not forget Christopher Reeve.

    There are literally thousands of them.
    We are talking about genetic defects. I have already stated on NUMEROUS occasions that established men and women who later contract an illness or are subject to an injury CAN recover and prosper. You people are not even debating the proper subject.
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    Originally posted by Hellbent
    We are talking about genetic defects. I have already stated on NUMEROUS occasions that established men and women who later contract an illness or are subject to an injury CAN recover and prosper. You people are not even debating the proper subject.
    HB

    We are on the right track. ADD IS a genetic disorder as well as others I have listed. Some of these famous people's children died of the same disorder their parents had.

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    Bottom line, who cares? What does it matter? Everyone, EVERYONE, places a burden on someone in their life. And everyone, EVERYONE, takes advantage of the public and society to create a better life for themselves.

    Hellbent, where did you go to school? Public or private? Even if it was private, they do get some subsidies. Where did you play football as a child? In the public park? Where did you do research for schools? The public library?

    Using the public resources and tax dollars to further your education, which creates a better job for yourself with a higher salary, which means you'll pay more money back into the system via taxes... thereby paying back society for its help.

    You mentioned somewhere that if you ever contracted some disease that would cause yourself to place a burden on others, you would rather kill yourself. You are one weak individual. So... go on, take a ride through the public park tonight, stop by the local public library and return your books, and then finish the night off with some public television. Just remember, you get to do all of this because you were not born with any genetic deficiencies. You are special. Woohoo!

    And just for the quick record, what is it exactly that you do? What have you contributed to society? What have you built? What "gets your rocks off"? I would really like to know what those few genetically "elite" people do to contribute to society.

    I know many of the "elite". They're worthless. Sit around all day smoking pot. No job. No school. Stealing money for more pot. Leeching off others for a free burger or gas money. Talking smack day in and day out, yet never willing to stand up and back up their talk.

    I love the "elite".

    Anyway, I've taken this thread to far off topic here... I'll stop before I close the thread on myself.
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    Originally posted by RKuhle
    Bottom line, who cares? What does it matter? Everyone, EVERYONE, places a burden on someone in their life. And everyone, EVERYONE, takes advantage of the public and society to create a better life for themselves.
    Well put and so VERY true.

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    Originally posted by Hellbent
    ... if nature were truly allowed to take its course.
    And our modern society isn't a product of nature?

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    RKuhle, let's just be glad the Hellbent's opinions are not the majority, but the minority.

    "I get by with a little help from my friends",...... not if you're Hellbent, because he wouldn't want to be a burden. AND what type of friend would Hellbent really be? As soon as you need him, he's gone.

    good luck in life HB, you're gonna need it.

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    Originally posted by jofa

    And our modern society isn't a product of nature?
    Excellent point. I don't think our little friend Hellbent realizes that society is NOT nature. He also doesn't realize that society creates nature, many people don't. It's ok, it's an easily overlooked observation. People change, as they change, they also change nature.

    The cough medicine you took as a child? Nope, not nature. The morphine you needed when you broke your leg? Tough luck, nothing doing. These very computers that we're typing on... um?

    If society had no role on nature, we'd probably all be dead from smallpox.
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    Originally posted by RKuhle
    Bottom line, who cares? What does it matter? Everyone, EVERYONE, places a burden on someone in their life. And everyone, EVERYONE, takes advantage of the public and society to create a better life for themselves.

    Hellbent, where did you go to school? Public or private? Even if it was private, they do get some subsidies. Where did you play football as a child? In the public park? Where did you do research for schools? The public library?

    You pathetic waste of flesh! Using the public resources and tax dollars to further your education, which creates a better job for yourself with a higher salary, which means you'll pay more money back into the system via taxes... thereby paying back society for its help.

    You mentioned somewhere that if you ever contracted some disease that would cause yourself to place a burden on others, you would rather kill yourself. You are one weak individual. So... go on, take a ride through the public park tonight, stop by the local public library and return your books, and then finish the night off with some public television. Just remember, you get to do all of this because you were not born with any genetic deficiencies. You are special. Woohoo!

    And just for the quick record, what is it exactly that you do? What have you contributed to society? What have you built? What "gets your rocks off"? I would really like to know what those few genetically "elite" people do to contribute to society.

    I know many of the "elite". They're worthless. Sit around all day smoking pot. No job. No school. Stealing money for more pot. Leeching off others for a free burger or gas money. Talking smack day in and day out, yet never willing to stand up and back up their talk.

    I love the "elite".

    Anyway, I've taken this thread to far off topic here... I'll stop before I close the thread on myself.
    I am able as you say to "pay society back" via taxes. This allows me to utilize the public facilities you mentioned. What about the gross misuse of MY tax dollars. For example, in the debate over Medicare funding it is said that some 30% of the money is spent on people during the last month of life. These people who are elderly, who chronically ill, and who are disabled. And as Richard Lamm, formerly governor of Colorado, said, people who have a duty to die.

    These "elite" you mention sound like bottom feeders. Not because of marijuana use but because they DONT PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES. You are inadvertently agreeing with me that those who cant provide for themselves are in your words "worthless".

    Now to your questions. What I do for a living is IT Consulting, My last client was Abbott Laboratories Diagnostics Division. I worked for them for four years as a Configuration Specialist and Application Packager. I am currently in-between jobs and existing off savings and web design.

    I went to public school, I was dating a girl who was 18 when I was fourteen. This got me kicked out of my home by my mother. I dropped out when I was fourteen forged my mothers signature and took the GED when I was fifteen (you have to be 17 to take the GED without parental consent). I lived with friends until I was fifteen and went straight to work. Leah and myself got our apartment the week after my fifteenth birthday (and first paycheck). Of course she was the only one on the lease as I was not old enough. I enrolled in a local junior college when I was seventeen, I was required to complete an entrance exam since I only had a GED. While attending College I supported Leah and myself. I worked two jobs (one of which was roofing) and took 16-hour semesters. So I feel somewhat qualified to preach independence and self-reliance. I never asked anyone for any handouts and never accepted any.

    Ill also have you know that at this point in life my student loans are almost completely paid back. Also I never claimed to be genetically elite. Im just not genetically flawed.
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    Originally posted by Golgotha
    RKuhle, let's just be glad the Hellbent's opinions are not the majority, but the minority.

    "I get by with a little help from my friends",...... not if you're Hellbent, because he wouldn't want to be a burden. AND what type of friend would Hellbent really be? As soon as you need him, he's gone.

    good luck in life HB, you're gonna need it.
    I would help my friends. However my friends are not the type of people who would ask for help unless they genuinely needed it.
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    Originally posted by Hellbent


    I am able as you say to "pay society back" via taxes. This allows me to utilize the public facilities you mentioned.
    Oh, so you paid taxes your whole life then in order to properly utilize the available public facilities? Excellent. I applaud that. Not many 6 and 7 year olds pay taxes.

    These people who are elderly, who chronically ill, and who are disabled. And as Richard Lamm, formerly governor of Colorado, said, people who have a duty to die.
    I thought I've heard it all. But today somebody tells me it's my duty to die. Hehe, classic! I would love to see the full context of his statements.

    These "elite" you mention sound like bottom feeders. Not because of marijuana use but because they DONT PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES. You are inadvertently agreeing with me that those who cant provide for themselves are in your words "worthless".
    Hey, don't lecture me on these people. These are the ones that you believe should live their life, while those with genetic deficiencies should be left to shrivel up in the corner and continue to be useless.

    I didn't say anything about marijuana being the reasoning, I was simply explaining to you what these "valid" life forms spend their time doing.

    I'm not inadvertently agreeing with you about anything. I'm showing you that even those without genetic deficiencies are leeches and "worthless".

    I lived with friends until I was fifteen and went straight to work.
    Surely, that must have been quite the burden on your friends. I've had friends live with me when they were down and out, it was an incredible burden. But let's look at this again... you were a burden temporarily, just until you were able to get the knowledge and resources to get back on your feet. Hmm... this sounds all too familiar.

    Also I never claimed to be genetically elite. Im just not genetically flawed.
    You are genetically flawed. Somewhere. Somehow. Deny it all you want, when something hits you like a ton of bricks and you have no savings to cover your tracks, you'll regret that statement.

    Nobody is flawless. You would think with your education and experiences you would have already learned this. I guess some people never do...

    I won't bore you with my life story, as I'm sure you don't care anyway.
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    Originally posted by RKuhle

    Excellent point. I don't think our little friend Hellbent realizes that society is NOT nature. ...
    ???
    And I thought that my point was that society is a product of nature...

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    Originally posted by RKuhle

    Oh, so you paid taxes your whole life then in order to properly utilize the available public facilities? Excellent. I applaud that. Not many 6 and 7 year olds pay taxes.
    Well I had assumed it would be belaboring the obvious to mention that any species for the most part cares for it's young. In this particular circumstance my parents have paid plenty of taxes that allowed my use of public facilities.


    Originally posted by RKuhle
    Hey, don't lecture me on these people. These are the ones that you believe should live their life, while those with genetic deficiencies should be left to shrivel up in the corner and continue to be useless.

    I didn't say anything about marijuana being the reasoning, I was simply explaining to you what these "valid" life forms spend their time doing.
    I have REPEATEDLY stated that any creature that is a burden on it's society should not be tolerated. Stop "enabling" these weaklings and they will either die off or step up to the plate and provide for themselves.

    Originally posted by RKuhle
    I'm not inadvertently agreeing with you about anything. I'm showing you that even those without genetic deficiencies are leeches and "worthless".
    I never argued against that point and I agree with you. Anyone who does not provide for him or herself after childhood has no right to existence.

    Originally posted by RKuhle
    Surely, that must have been quite the burden on your friends. I've had friends live with me when they were down and out, it was an incredible burden. But let's look at this again... you were a burden temporarily, just until you were able to get the knowledge and resources to get back on your feet. Hmm... this sounds all too familiar.
    Actually I paid rent, I had money from my job as a drug dealer. I sold weed for another friend of mine. Immoral? Maybe. I consider it as valid a profession as anything else.

    Originally posted by RKuhle
    You are genetically flawed. Somewhere. Somehow. Deny it all you want, when something hits you like a ton of bricks and you have no savings to cover your tracks, you'll regret that statement.

    Nobody is flawless. You would think with your education and experiences you would have already learned this. I guess some people never do....
    Your right to a point, I wear corrective lenses, have had my appendix <-- (spell check?) removed. However these things happened after I had already established myself. I had insurance for the emergency surgery and corrective lenses etc. An additional point, I will never be financially insecure. And should I ever become destitute it will not take me long to get MYSELF back on my feet with no handouts.

    Originally posted by RKuhle
    I won't bore you with my life story, as I'm sure you don't care anyway.
    Actually at this point since you have made such probing inquiries into my past I would be interested to hear your background.
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    What's scary is we meet eye to eye on more than it seems, you're just more extreme.
    Originally posted by Hellbent


    Well I had assumed it would be belaboring the obvious to mention that any species for the most part cares for it's young. In this particular circumstance my parents have paid plenty of taxes that allowed my use of public facilities.
    Of course your parents paid taxes for many years, which enabled the government to help you out in areas that you obviously couldn't personally afford (most public facilities). This is the case with most people. Including my parents.


    I have REPEATEDLY stated that any creature that is a burden on it's society should not be tolerated. Stop "enabling" these weaklings and they will either die off or step up to the plate and provide for themselves.
    I agree with this, in another form. I think too many systems were created and are now being maintained in such fashions that allow people to leech off of them.


    I never argued against that point and I agree with you. Anyone who does not provide for him or herself after childhood has no right to existence.
    I'm not going to kill anyone. But they definitely need a kick in the rear and wake up to reality. What really drives me insane is when parents let their kids feed off them, while not attending school or working a job. Somehow, they don't understand that they're killing their kids.


    Actually I paid rent, I had money from my job as a drug dealer. I sold weed for another friend of mine. Immoral? Maybe. I consider it as valid a profession as anything else.
    Immoral, no. Illegal, yes. I personally wouldn't do it, but when you're looking the streets in the eyes, sometimes you have no choice.


    Your right to a point, I wear corrective lenses, have had my appendix <-- (spell check?) removed. However these things happened after I had already established myself. I had insurance for the emergency surgery and corrective lenses etc. An additional point, I will never be financially insecure. And should I ever become destitute it will not take me long to get MYSELF back on my feet with no handouts.
    Good. However, many people don't even have the basic opportunity to establish themselves without a little help. A little help, which will return things much better. Who cares?


    Actually at this point since you have made such probing inquiries into my past I would be interested to hear your background.
    Ok. Fair game. When I was born, it took longer than "normal" for me to start walking. It concerned my parents, but didn't think too much of it. When I was 5, my younger brother was having the same troubles, except he couldn't walk at all. Obviously, we visited some specialists and were diagnosed with a very rare form of Muscular Dystrophy, which IS genetic. Basically, the "insulation", if you will, around my motor neurons was deteriorating because of the disease. Bottom line, the electrical synapses from my brain couldn't transmit 100% to my various body parts.

    I continued walking for a couple more years, but it became more and more difficult. When I was about 9, the "experts" decided to put me in a wheelchair. Never should have happened that early, but it did. My brother never could fully walk without assistance, he's 14 right now and doing "ok".

    Note: this is a degenerative disease that will not stop until I die.

    Anyway, over the years my condition continued to "progress", I guess you could say. When I was 10 I was diagnosed with scoliosis and had to have surgery. After that surgery I lost most of the strength in my arms, never really did gain that back. But good news, my back is just fine.

    Because of the weakening effects of my disease, breathing and coughing sometimes became difficult. Colds were a total nightmare, especially when they infected my lungs.

    When I was 13 I became very sick with pneumonia. That year changed my life. Twice, in the same year I contracted deadly bouts of pneumonia, along with other miscellaneous illnesses. Both times I was told I would probably die. The first time I recovered fairly quickly. The second, I wasn't so lucky. I was out of school for a month or so, but was sick for about 5. Lost over 50 pounds throughout those months... 6 years later I haven't gained 1 back.

    After the second bout, I now sleep with a "sleep apnea" machine at night. Basically it just pumps air in and out of your lungs to keep the air passages nice and open. Since I've started using this machine, I've only had pneumonia once. Nice.

    Anyway, by the time I was 14 or so I was basically a quadriplegic. No use of my legs or hands.

    Well, I was 14, my friends had jobs and money, I didn't. I didn't like that. I started exploring. Found the Internet of course and started building websites. Think I received my first check for $100 from Everyone.net when I was 15.

    After I turned 16 things really started kicking. Was clearing about $4k monthly, economy was going awesome. Things were good. Yeh, well, the economy took a dump and so did my advertising revenues, not to mention a server crash lost my bloodline. Yippee.

    Spent probably the next 2 years only pulling $500 monthly. Sucked.

    Anyway, I was originally from Iowa and I hated it. People treated me like crap, I was ignored for the most part, and never received any respect from anyone... even though I was always at the top of my class. Funny how people always ask you for homework help and then ignore you, isn't it? The weather sucked. And entertainment was lame.

    I decided to use up my savings and move Cross country right after I graduated. Now I live in San Diego. The move and setup pretty much burned every cent I had. I also moved out here because I was told there were various programs to help me "have a life" and live on my own.

    Who was paying my bills? Well, my dad was helping when he could, and also the government with some things. Personal care, for example. Sorry, I couldn't afford $2k a month. But, my dads money line grew thin and I was in a sticky situation. I couldn't get a job, school gave me absolutely no time (and I'm not kidding) and I couldn't do any manual labor. Not to mention, I had no transportation. I'll get into this more below...

    Spent my first year out here going to college at a major university. Hated it with a passion. I couldn't do my homework, because I can't write. Researching for papers was a joke, how do I open a book? I explored every avenue available, no help could be gotten for me in these departments because I was an extreme rare case, you think anyone cares about me?

    By the second semester I was already sick of the situation, started devoting most of my time to the web again and started making cash. This year I decided to drop out of school, maybe temporarily, who knows. But I do know that I'm not going back until I can afford a full time assistant with me, it's just not worth the time otherwise.

    I still haven't caught up to my $4k monthly, hopefully by March I'll be there again. We'll see. And yes, I'm still getting government help. Doesn't matter what I make, I still can't afford the $2k monthly yet, hopefully by next summer I'll be fully off the system.

    Damn, extremely off topic once again. But anyway, feel free to flame Hellbent.

    By the way, my brother is highly involved in student government at school. Has been in many national academic tournaments. And is leader of his scout troop. All that and he's still annoying as hell...
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    wow RKuhle, that sure is some story. You are a good example then of someone who was dealt a tough hand and yet pushes on. But, Hellbent will only see you as a carrier of bad DNA.
    He won't really see you.

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    Originally posted by Hellbent
    Actually I paid rent, I had money from my job as a drug dealer. I sold weed for another friend of mine. Immoral? Maybe. I consider it as valid a profession as anything else.
    Immoral, Illegal, whatever. What I find interesting is that most people would consider drug usage and distribution a burden and problem of society...
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    Somehow, when I read hellbent words remind me about the Nazis sent people with mental disabilities to gas chambers. (not just the Jews)

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    Originally posted by johnn
    Somehow, when I read hellbent words remind me about the Nazis sent people with mental disabilities to gas chambers. (not just the Jews)

    Bit like the Texans .
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    Originally posted by johnn
    Somehow, when I read hellbent words remind me about the Nazis sent people with mental disabilities to gas chambers. (not just the Jews)
    Really? Personally, I get reminded of the people who get rated "-1, Troll" on Slashdot.
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    Having seen this survey http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2345355.stm I am coming around to Hellbents way of thinking, at least on the point that society enables the terminally stupid to survive when perhaps the human race would be better off if they didn't.


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