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    Microsoft is Officially Killing IE 6 - NOW

    Microsoft is killing IE6 Fast

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiberianHuskey View Post
    Microsoft is killing IE6 Fast
    "Now" though? They're going to start doing it next month.
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    Microsoft says next month it will start to upgrade Windows customers automatically to the latest version of IE available for their computer.
    OMG, did I just read that right? Has Microsoft finally discovered the 21st Century? Wow ... I'm truly amazed. (I swore I'd never take IE seriously until MS took this step, and now I'm swearing in amazement that it's happened.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph.m View Post
    OMG, did I just read that right? Has Microsoft finally discovered the 21st Century? Wow ... I'm truly amazed. (I swore I'd never take IE seriously until MS took this step, and now I'm swearing in amazement that it's happened.)
    Microsoft has been strongly encouraging people to dump IE6 for years now. The problem is that some corporations refuse to upgrade and webmasters refuse to dump support for IE6.

    If webmasters didn't support IE6, people would have no choice but to upgrade. According the graphic in the news story provided by the original poster, only 1% of web surfers are using IE6 in the United States.

    If ever there was a final point for webmasters to make a decision to stop supporting IE6 now is it!

    About Microsoft's automatically upgrading IE6 without the computer owner's consent, this was said:

    "This is an important step in helping to move the Web forward," wrote Ryan Gavin, Microsoft's general manager of Internet Explorer business and marketing, on a company blog.
    If more webmasters felt that way--especially around here at Sitepoint where many insist on supporting IE6--that buggy, insecure browser may have died off years earlier.

    If webmasters want the web to move forward--and I'm sure most around here do--the first step is to not support ancient browsers. Otherwise, the web will move forward at a snail's pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheesedude View Post
    The problem is that some corporations refuse to upgrade and webmasters refuse to dump support for IE6.
    You have to ask WHY that is though -- and for many corporations it's the cost; Non-profits who can't afford to upgrade past windows 98 for example. Lady-friend of mine is sitting at a Athlon 600 running win98 at work; FF, Chrome and Opera dropped support for Win98, it's work so it's not like she can install KernelEx, there is no IE7/newer on that platform -- and do you really think that a non-profit/charity is going to understand the need to drop even a couple hundred on a nettop to replace it when what's in there right now gets the job done?

    IE6 isn't just about IE6, it's about the Trident engine below it and how easy it is to use it as the renderer for an application -- just like using XULRunner for using XML or HTML to build the UI for applications; or the move towards HTML5/CSS3 for Metro. A good number of corporations rely daily on silly little applications built in Visual Basic that RELY on IE6's specific version of Trident.

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    If webmasters didn't support IE6, people would have no choice but to upgrade.
    But as I just said, some people don't have the choice TO upgrade; money doesn't grow on trees and it costs money to upgrade software -- while it sounds all fine and dandy to simplify our lives as web developers and 'move the web forward', it is extremely difficult to convince a suit who knows little of this that the software their business has run just fine for over a decade needs to be replaced... Especially if doing so breaks other software, requires massive rollout and time for an already overburdened (and underfunded) IT staff, retraining of employees, etc, etc...

    Quote Originally Posted by cheesedude View Post
    If webmasters want the web to move forward--and I'm sure most around here do--the first step is to not support ancient browsers. Otherwise, the web will move forward at a snail's pace.
    I'm sorry to say, but in a lot of ways this "moving forward" is a colossal step backwards to before the browser wars; If you sit back and think on it we had more useful faster websites and LESS headaches as developers when the only browser that mattered was IE6. Literally, things were EASIER when the only question developers cared about was "Does it work in IE". With the massive bloat of todays pages doped to the gills of hundreds of K of javascript, HTML5 idiocy with extra DOM elements for no good reason apart from placating the people who never pulled their heads out of HTML 3.2's backside, and a general "accessibility what's that?" attitude with the px fonts and fixed widths on everything -- literally this "moving forward" feels like two steps back. It's why as a whole I find the Internet less useful than I did a decade ago.

    As to not supporting "Ancient" browsers, that's the actual job of a web developer; You don't want to do that you are in the wrong business. ....and again it's kind of the point of HTML and why progressive enhancement/graceful degradation exists -- 99% of the stuff that doesn't work back to legacy IE in terms of actual functionality is either goof assed scripted animations, AJAX for nothing (a laugh since AJAX originated with IE, meaning just **** coding), fancy visuals that it doesn't matter if they aren't there (rounded corners and gradients -- ooh, not that) or just plain flat out broken site methodology.

    The "oh it's only x%" routine, IE is only x%, Opera is only x%, people on netbooks are only x%, people on tablets are only x% -- eventually you've got no % left and it's just another lame excuse to try and sleaze by on as little effort as possible.

    ... and spending money on new technology when the old stuff works just fine is a significant part of why economies worldwide are in the toilet; as Kissenger once said we've gone from a nation of savers to a nation of debters; I'd extend that to the world as a whole... we're so obsessed with "new" and "the best" that we're spending money that doesn't even exist yet on things we don't need; all while a third of the worlds population is starving to death. Go progress!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deathshadow60 View Post
    You have to ask WHY that is though -- and for many corporations it's the cost; Non-profits who can't afford to upgrade past windows 98 for example. Lady-friend of mine is sitting at a Athlon 600 running win98 at work;
    It isn't necessarily even the cost of upgrading the software. There are lots of computers out ehre that would not be able to run Windows 7 and so you'd need to replace the entire computer and not just the software. A much larger expense.

    I also agree that if the pages are coded properly then those using antiquated browsers should still be able to read the pages - just not see all the fancy rounded corners etc. You can't rely on everyone using the latest browsers having JavaScript enabled so the page needs to work without scripts and so if the scripts don't work with antiquated browsers such as IE7 then it doesn't really matter as those people get the same way of using the page as those running IE10 with JavaScript disabled.
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    The origiinal statement is slightly incorrect - it should read IE7 rather than IE6 since they already announced the death of IE6 some time ago and the proposed action will upgrade all XP users to IE8 and all Vista/7 users to IE9.
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    Yes exactly ! IE6 already upgraded into IE7 and now most of the organisation uses IE8 and IE9 for Windows Xp and Window 7 MS OS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert09ster View Post
    Yes exactly ! IE6 already upgraded into IE7 and now most of the organisation uses IE8 and IE9 for Windows Xp and Window 7 MS OS.
    That's not quite true. You can't use IE9 in a native Windows XP environment, as ScallioXTX said earlier in this thread, because IE9 uses the Direct2D accelerator which doesn't work on XP.
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    "Now" though? They're going to start doing it next month.
    You took it literally

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    Microsoft says next month it will start to upgrade Windows customers automatically to the latest version of IE available for their computer.
    Wow....
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    Well IE6 is dead, soon I suspect IE7 then things will be more even with IE8 +.

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    Quite why there would be anyone who this decision will actually affect escapes me. Anyone who is already using Windows XP but still runs IE6 must be totally bonkers for a start, given that they could upgrade to IE7 or IE8. The vast majority of people who still struggle on with IE6 are (a) still using Windows 2000, but MS hasn't deigned to make a browser for that OS since IE6, so they are left high and dry, or (b) on a locked down corporate network, where the sysadmin holds the key and no changes can be made without his/her say-so ... but given all the publicity around IE6/7/8, I'd question the sanity and suitability of any sysadmin still enforcing IE6 unless they also are still stuck on Windows 2000.

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    China is still the dominate country using IE6. I guess the government including the US doesn't think much of them. And in the rest of the world they don't think much of us that is why every U.I is condescending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiberianHuskey View Post
    China is still the dominate country using IE6.
    yea and I bet 90% of them used are pirate version

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    Quote Originally Posted by William.ah View Post
    yea and I bet 90% of them used are pirate version
    Why would they use a pirated version of something that's free?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kohoutek View Post
    Why would they use a pirated version of something that's free?
    It may be the entire OS that is being spoken of.
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    Some government or corporate users are locked in to specific versions of IE due to the intranet webapps they use. That has always been the big thing that has held back the advancement of IE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force Flow View Post
    Some government or corporate users are locked in to specific versions of IE due to the intranet webapps they use. That has always been the big thing that has held back the advancement of IE.
    Businesses or governments can install other browsers that are more modern and standards-compliant for web browsing and keep their ancient browser for internal use.

    IE6 lived as long as it did because webmasters supported it. If nothing worked right in IE6, people would have had no choice but to upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheesedude View Post
    IE6 lived as long as it did because webmasters supported it. If nothing worked right in IE6, people would have had no choice but to upgrade.
    Let's not get carried away here. I've never "supported" IE6 on any of my websites, not even the ones I designed ten years ago. I've always written in HTML and CSS with a smattering of bug fixes thrown in for good measure in the early days. But none the more for that, those websites are at least usable in IE6, and in many cases fully functional and don't have anything major wrong with the way they look or work. It isn't always about "supporting" IE6, as though webmasters are making a conscious decision to do so – if you don't need a fancy complicated layout then straight-forward HTML and CSS will be "supported" by IE6. I am certainly not going to sabotage my websites just to make sure that IE6 users can't use it!

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    People should jump to IE9 directly... shame that it doesn't work in all OSes but finally! even Microsoft is getting rid of IE6. Halleluya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by molona View Post
    People should jump to IE9 directly... shame that it doesn't work in all OSes but finally! even Microsoft is getting rid of IE6. Halleluya!
    There are people who by choice will be sticking with XP until MS stops supporting in in three years time.
    IE8 is the best from Microsoft that XP is allowed to use, so IE8 will still be around for some time to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_wilkins View Post
    There are people who by choice will be sticking with XP until MS stops supporting in in three years time.
    IE8 is the best from Microsoft that XP is allowed to use, so IE8 will still be around for some time to come.
    Indeed. IE8 will be the new IE6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_wilkins View Post
    There are people who by choice will be sticking with XP until MS stops supporting in in three years time.
    IE8 is the best from Microsoft that XP is allowed to use, so IE8 will still be around for some time to come.
    Trust me. I understand the feeling. My old tower will be keeping xp forever... but it is a shame that I cannot upgrade it to IE9.

    Of course, it is natural that at some point things will not be able to work in XP because... well, the world evolves and so should software

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    It doesn't appear the world is evolving, rather backwards


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