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    I know this will get resolved with time, but currently all incoming links from Google searches are presented with a crappy error page.
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    It's actually not too bad if I crank the page zoom down to shrink the fonts around 30%. Looking forward to see what the devs do with this skin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpacePhoenix View Post
    Are you using your browser's zoom function? They are not huge with the browser zoom set to it's default setting.
    forget i mentioned anything

    i was using ie6 and obviously no one cares about that any more
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    The forum home page for me shows the SitePoint Courses forum first... with all the sub forums under it, it seems to be a waste of space... can this be removed, moved to the bottom, hide subforums, etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CreedFeed View Post
    The forum home page for me shows the SitePoint Courses forum first... with all the sub forums under it, it seems to be a waste of space... can this be removed, moved to the bottom, hide subforums, etc.?

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    If you click on the carat (^) to the right of the last post text, it will shrink that and will keep it that way.
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    Holy cow you people complain a lot. Do none of you people run sites or what? There are always problems with upgrades and always things that are different. Who cares. Move on.

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    I don't care for the new theme at all. I had to say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salathe View Post
    I know this will get resolved with time, but currently all incoming links from Google searches are presented with a crappy error page.
    It does seem like the old URLs haven't been redirected to the new ones, which I hope is just one of those things that will be done shortly once the chaos has settled down a bit!

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    The width of the new setup is ridiculous. I can only see about 3/4 of the content of the posts unless I scroll to the right.

    Even this input box keeps jumping around as the spot in it where I am typing needs to move so as to be visible inside the browser window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slayerment View Post
    Holy cow you people complain a lot. Do none of you people run sites or what? There are always problems with upgrades and always things that are different. Who cares. Move on.
    Feedback after an upgrade or major change is just part of the whole process. Any and all feedback is welcomed
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    It's a start, but definitely needs work. Could be cool, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felgall View Post
    The width of the new setup is ridiculous. I can only see about 3/4 of the content of the posts unless I scroll to the right.

    Even this input box keeps jumping around as the spot in it where I am typing needs to move so as to be visible inside the browser window.
    I'm having the opposite issue on an HD monitor - huge amounts of wasted space and only 50% of the screen used in full screen mode.

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    I am using an HD monitor as well but take advantage of the monitor width to always have two different programs open side by side - so each gets 960 pixels outside dimensions on my 1920 pixel wide monitor.

    If you are running Windows 7 then you can automatically work your programs to have them fill exactly half the screen by holding down the Windows key and pressing the left or right arrow key to specify which half of the screen the program is to use.
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    I actually thought the previous version was one of the nicest forum designs I have ever been part of. The new one will take some getting used to and I already am. One thing that makes me sad to lose is when there is a new thread, the title was BOLD, then when I read it, the bold went away and it became normal. That made it really easy to see what I had already read. Sorry to see that is gone now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo5 View Post
    Be be 100% honest I don't think the layout is as efficient or functional as it was before. I have to scroll way more now to get to the forum I want, when before the tree menu on the left was a quick couple of clicks at most to get where I want.
    I have to agree. I am finding I need to really scroll down down down to find something I could normally find without scrolling at all. I have to say, I really liked the previous version. Really liked it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAWK View Post
    Both the "Featured Posts" and left-side menu that you refer to were plugins that don't work in vBulletin 4 so need to be rewritten. Due to the urgent nature of the upgrade we decided to go ahead without them. We'll definitely do something about the menu but I'm still thinking on the featured posts.
    It was great to see featured posts, because if everyone has that many opinions about something, I'd like to know what it is all about without having to search every section and find the post number or flaming envelope. Having that featured section introduced me to conversations and issues I may not have known about or considered otherwise.

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    Alright, rather than give up on it completely (thanks to several of you IM'ing and e-mailing me asking about a custom user.css so we don't have to abandon ship en-masse) I've written the following user.css for Opera users. It may work in other browsers that support user.css, but all I can guarantee is this working well under Windows and Opera 10.51.

    Code:
    * {
    	font-size:100% !important;
    	line-height:140% !important;
    	font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif !important;
    }
    
    code,
    pre,
    pre span {
    	font:90%/130% "lucida console","courier new",monospace !important;
    }
    
    body {
    	font-size:85% !important;
    	line-height:140% !important; /* always restate */
    }
    
    html,
    body,
    #vbulletin_html {
    	width:100% !important;
    	padding:0 !important;
    	margin:0 !important;
    }
    
    .pagination span,
    .pagination a {
    	top:0 !important;
    	vertical-align:top !important;
    }
    
    .pagination img {
    	top:0 !important;
    	vertical-align:middle !important;
    }
    
    #globalsearch {
    	width:auto !important;
    	padding-top:0.2em !important;
    }
    
    #globalsearch * {
    	float:none !important;
    	display:inline !important;
    	margin:0 2px !important;
    	vertical-align:middle !important;
    }
    
    #globalsearch span {
    	padding:0 !important;
    	margin:0 !important;
    }
    
    #globalsearch form {
    	right:0 !important;
    }
    
    #navtabs,
    #navtabs * {
    	height:auto !important;
    }
    
    #navtabs a {
    	top:0 !important;
    	padding:0.25em 0.5em !important;
    }
    
    #navtabs a.popupctrl {
    	padding-right:16px !important;
    }
    
    #nrreview li.postbit:nth-child(2n+1),
    #threads li.threadbit:nth-child(2n+1) {
    	background:#F4F8FF !important;
    }
    
    #nrreview li {
    	padding:0 0.5em 0.5em !important;
    	margin:0 !important;
    }
    
    #nrreview .header {
    	padding:0.5em 0 !important;
    	font-weight:bold;
    }
    
    .posthead {
    	padding:0.25em 0 !important;
    }
    
    .postrow {
    	padding:0.5em !important;
    }
    
    .userinfo {
    	width:184px !important;
    	padding:0.5em 0 !important;
    	margin-left:8px !important;
    }
    
    .username_container {
    	padding-bottom:0 !important;
    }
    
    .usertitle,
    .rank {
    	padding-bottom:0.5em !important;
    }
    
    .username span {
    	word-wrap:break-word !important;
    	padding-left:16px !important; /* fixes centering */
    }
    
    .userinfo_extra * {
    	float:none !important;
    	display:block !important;
    	text-align:center !important;
    	line-height:120% !important;
    	word-wrap:break-word !important;
    	color:#444 !important;
    }
    
    .userinfo_extra dt {
    	font-weight:bold;
    	padding-top:0.5em !important;
    }
    
    .userinfo_extra dt:after {
    	display:none !important;
    }
    
    .blockrow {
    	background:none !important;
    }
    
    .section {
    	box-shadow:inset 0 0 32px #E0E8F0;
    }
    
    .section,
    .blockbody {
    	border-radius:0 0 12px 12px;
    }
    
    h3.blockhead {
    	border-radius:12px 12px 0 0 !important;
    }
    
    .body_wrapper {
    	margin:0 0.5em !important;
    }
    
    .popupbody {
    	top:1.5em !important;
    	border-radius:0 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em !important;
    	box-shadow:2px 2px 2px #999;
    }
    
    li.popupmenu:hover a.popupctrl {
    	color:#000 !important;
    	background-color:#E8E8E8 !important;
    	border-radius:0.5em 0.5em 0 0 !important;
    	text-shadow:1px 1px 1px #FFF;
    }
    
    .popuphover a {
    	border-radius:0.5em !important;
    }
    In addition to stripping the fixed-width issues from most all the pages (the reply page was REALLY difficult!) it's also meant to be used with scripting disabled. Save that as sitepoint.css to a convenient spot on your machine, then in opera right click on a space with no content, choose "edit site preferences", under "scripting" uncheck "enable javascript" then under "display" point the "my style sheet" at said file.

    Switches all the fonts to dynamic sizes, tries to clean up spots where it breaks, removes the fixed width. Again built for large font/120dpi users in Opera on windows with scripting off -- worth a try on other platforms and/or a decent starting point for other browsers. I even took some time to pretty it up a bit and try to make the paddings/margins a wee bit less willy-nilly.

    I'll probably post a further updated copy soon that will try to strip some of the extra whitespace from short posts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Force Flow View Post
    Feedback after an upgrade or major change is just part of the whole process. Any and all feedback is welcomed
    Maybe you welcome it, but a lot of it does sound way more like whining than feedback to me. Change = chicken littlesque hysteria, which makes it very hard to actually prioritize and adjust things (and as HAWK plainly stated, this is a WIP).

    PS, the new quote box thingabobleroo is
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    Rather than keep threadjacking here -- I made a thread about making a custom user.css to get this site usable for those of us the default skin is basically ruining the site for us.

    http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/show...uot-forum-skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deathshadow60 View Post
    Train wreck for accessibility, as expected loads even slower than the previous one and looks to chew 40% or so more bandwidth in a great times many more files -- whoever is responsible for the markup of the skin deserves a slap with a wet trout... that 'autosave' thing sending my machine into the 9th ring of hell in terms of sucking down CPU and connection time -- so much like digital point's being unusable after the upgrade...

    I'm probably done here. I've not seen a forum crapped on this bad since the last time I saw a UbbThreads installation.

    Somebody gimme a holler when you have a skin for it that doesn't get down on it's knees in front of the proverbial equine...
    Quote Originally Posted by deathshadow60 View Post
    Wow, fixing the fonts REALLY breaks the IDIOTIC FIXED WIDTH nonsense. Can't believe you guys greenlighted THIS!

    Yeah, much like every other forum I used to frequent that upgraded to vBull 4, I'm done here. Have fun with your forum downgrade, slower pages and increased bandwidth use.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torite View Post
    The new forum is fairly slow for me, especially in typing. There is a noticeable delay, maybe caused by the autosave feature? (Can you turn it off?).
    I agree with all of the above, I don't see how this got passed management. All those SitePoint books and articles about web design and programming but then they come out with this for a forum... pretty sad really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodiE55 View Post
    I agree with all of the above, I don't see how this got passed management.
    I will say it again. Our servers were dying so we had to pretty much implement out of the box. This is what vBulletin 4 looks like with our skin on it. We are now working as hard and fast as we can to make changes and write plugins to do all of the things that you are asking for.

    I appreciate all of the (constructive) feedback. Please consider what you say - telling me you loved it before and you hate it now is of absolutely no use at all. If there are specific things that you liked before and miss now, then please let me know.

    I am not going to go through and individually respond to each post because I'm flat out at the moment getting this thing going, but I will create a suggestions thread over the next few days and pull out any relevant posts from here. There will be some things that are a no-brainer and will be done as soon as we are able, and some things that probably won't be done at all, but I promise to take everything into consideration.

    As always, I appreciate you taking the time to give feedback.

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    Our servers were dying so we had to pretty much implement out of the box.
    HAWK, is there any elaboration you can provide on this? I'm just curious about what you mean here...

    As for this entire upgrade, well, I guess it is what it is. I can see both sides to all this, but from everything I've ever done where a canned solution required an upgrade, very rarely did things like this NOT happen... So it comes with the territory. Yes, the layout sucks. Yes, it's a pain. But whatever... We'll get over it and things will move forward.

    (In other words, you guys will pull through, no doubt.)

    Hang in there! Ha. Take it a day at a time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieJohn View Post


    What browser are you guys using. Word-wrap seems to work fine in Chrome 14 for me.

    I'm using the most up to date version of chrome that it automatically updates, ver 13.0.782.... and the word wrap in the text box is broken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo5 View Post
    I'm using the most up to date version of chrome that it automatically updates, ver 13.0.782.... and the word wrap in the text box is broken.
    Yes, same here, Chrome 13.0.782.220

    See attachment: "SitePoint" should be one word, but "Sit" is shown on the first line and "ePoint" on the second. If I were to post that it would come out as one word again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScallioXTX View Post
    Yes, same here, Chrome 13.0.782.220

    See attachment: "SitePoint" should be one word, but "Sit" is shown on the first line and "ePoint" on the second. If I were to post that it would come out as one word again.
    Odd indeed. I can't seem to reproduce that in either Firefox 6.02 or Chrome 14.0.835.162 (Latest beta).
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