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    Cool

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    still has voting citizens.

    So far as I know, the google street view ban was country-wide.

    That is just so weird. Got this thread from another community calling germany right now to have the 4th reich of banning facebook button.

    http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/i...?topic=27701.0 (I hope pasting this link here is ok)

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    Ward, nice link! :)

    I wonder if it was such a lowlife tabloid that it doesn't post its articles on their website? one of those el-cheapo paper ones? As they say, they can't find the 4th Reich stuff.... but I laughed hard.

    The US wants to pass another law that doesn't LET, but FORCES ISPs to spy on their customers, and limit their access to certain (undisclosed) websites by redirecting them to other, US-gov't approved websites... yikes, sounds like Netherlands back in the beginning of the interwebs! (when there was just the Dutch web, the rest of the world didn't seem to exist). https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/1...99s-worse-ever

    So, I certainly have mixed feelings about government (or any large body) deciding which internets we get... but the way Facebook is so deliberately intrusive, I understand it entirely. You don't have to click on a like button to get tracked. Just any page you come across that has one (it's pretty much the same thing with the G+ button too).

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    I have read somewhere that the Problem with the 'like' button is that it always sends Facebook US data once it loads on a website.
    You don't have to have a Facebook account and you don't have to 'like' something in order for this to happen. And that is the point where it becomes illegal as German law clearly states that YOU have to ACTIVELY give the permission to the website to give this data to others and this happens at no point.

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    Austin: correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScallioXTX View Post
    It was declared illegal in just one state; not in the whole of Germany. It was banned because, and I quote

    Schleswig-Holstein's data protection commissioner, Thilo Weicher, ordered the shutdown after an analysis by his office showed that Facebook builds profiles of users and non-users alike with the "like" button's data. Because such data collection violates Germany's data protection laws, Weicher has given websites operated in Schleswig-Holstein until September 30th to remove all "like" buttons.
    See Facebook's 'Like' Button Banned by German State | PCWorld
    Well, they are right. Some facebook page do get information about the likers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    The US wants to pass another law that doesn't LET, but FORCES ISPs to spy on their customers, and limit their access to certain (undisclosed) websites by redirecting them to other, US-gov't approved websites... yikes, sounds like Netherlands back in the beginning of the interwebs! (when there was just the Dutch web, the rest of the world didn't seem to exist). https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/1...99s-worse-ever
    "The bill also requires that search engines, payment providers (such as credit card companies and PayPal), and advertising services join in the fun in shutting down entire websites. "

    Quoting from that article. Ha, I totally doubt if these "search engines and payment providers" are ever gonna comply with this bill. Pretty scary though.

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    Well, Google and PayPal for example are US-based entities. That means they do have to comply with US laws. I kinda keep wishing more similar companies would start up outside the US just for that reason. (Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn as well.)

    This isn't a law yet. If it becomes a law, then US-based corporations will have to comply or lobby to get the law revoked.

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    Well, I guess I have to agree with you on that. I hope they do that first to porn sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    Well, Google and PayPal for example are US-based entities. That means they do have to comply with US laws. I kinda keep wishing more similar companies would start up outside the US just for that reason. (Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn as well.)

    This isn't a law yet. If it becomes a law, then US-based corporations will have to comply or lobby to get the law revoked.
    Do you think if these companies will lobby to revoke the law (if it becomes a law), they will be successful? What would that imply on the security and safety of people on internet?

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    I think if the companies feel they would lose money, they may lobby to get it overturned. But lobbying isn't a guarantee (well, unless your Big Something and have a bazillion lobbyists).

    More secure? The internet is not secure and people need to stop waiting for some clueless government to rescue them by controlling everything they see and do. Just like when we drive we learn to drive defensively because nothing is guaranteed, when we use the internet we should be aware of how to use it safely. That's personal responsibility. Letting someone spy on you in return for "security" isn't the way.

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    Surprised to hear that a portion of a country actually banned the usage of a button from a site.. I think someone is a bit over reacting to it. But who knows.. oh well, I'm not in Germany, never the less that part of it, so this doesn't affect me too much haha


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