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    billycundiff{float:left;} silver trophybronze trophy RyanReese's Avatar
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    Sorry for bumping, but glad there was an upgrade! I was wondering why I had to relogin. Almost forgot my password.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanReese View Post
    Sorry for bumping, but glad there was an upgrade! I was wondering why I had to relogin. Almost forgot my password.
    Upgrade hasn't happened yet. This week some time. Will be a big change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph.m View Post
    Upgrade hasn't happened yet. This week some time. Will be a big change.
    As long as ralph is involved, I'm confident that the upgrade will proceed smoothly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cydewaze View Post
    As long as ralph is involved, I'm confident that the upgrade will proceed smoothly.
    I'm not involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph.m View Post
    I'm not involved.
    You're so modest!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rguy84
    I think I saw somewhere that VB4 is not free, so heavily modding codee is probably against TOS.
    Can't be true, they've been heavily modding this current version since forever.

    But if there is a TOS that says "you can't take our expensive steaming pile of inaccessible code and make it actually WORK for real human beings, not only those privileged to use a mouse" then vBull should be dropped, because it is not worth being promoted by a site dedicated to web development done properly.

    But seriously, how hard/long/difficult is it to remove the a{outline:none;} from the retarded Meyeresk reset until the proper fixes in keyboard navigation could be made? It's just a few characters.

    I'm sending more shame in a bucket to vBull devs... and it's COD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    Can't be true, they've been heavily modding this current version since forever.
    no no I thought it was recently added...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    Can't be true, they've been heavily modding this current version since forever.

    I'm sending more shame in a bucket to vBull devs... and it's COD.
    Don't forget - the original core group aren't there anymore - it's a whole other group that somehow wedged the original team of owners out. The original have started a new company (can't think of what it's called at the moment...)

    All I can say is lets give it time. If the current vB version is crippling the servers (which we've all seen), then let the upgrade continue, and we can hope the word that the cruft will be cleaned up comes to fruition.....
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    and we can hope the word that the cruft will be cleaned up comes to fruition.....
    What I've seen in the sneak peak, it's pretty much ALL fixable, mostly with CSS, much of it rather small. This is a good thing. Though I dunno if vBull uses real CSS or one of those lets-pretend-css-is-object-oriented things, but still shouldn't matter (just be a bit harder to fix).

    Some structural stuff needs to be fixed... I have no idea how difficult it is to tweak markup in something like vBull.

    it's a whole other group that somehow wedged the original team of owners out.
    whoever added the Meyeresk reset gets the Bucket O Shame, and I don't care which team did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    Some structural stuff needs to be fixed... I have no idea how difficult it is to tweak markup in something like vBull.
    Doing pretty much anything in vB4 is a nightmare.

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    Maybe that's a sign from above then... to switch to anything else. Let vBull4 be temporary until the search has ended for something that sucks much less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    But seriously, how hard/long/difficult is it to remove the a{outline:none;} from the retarded Meyeresk reset until the proper fixes in keyboard navigation could be made?
    Off Topic:

    I don't think there's a problem with this if you style the :focus but I confess that I'm not an accessibility expert... give me a year or so... and I will be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    Maybe that's a sign from above then... to switch to anything else. Let vBull4 be temporary until the search has ended for something that sucks much less.
    Indeed, no forum software will be ideal so a search for the one that sucks least would be worthwhile

    Actually, another popular forum - IP Boards - seem to have more coders that think:

    * keyboard navigation is not broken in anyway and seems to work pretty well
    * while the layout is tableless, forum and topic listings are tables and posts are divs. Much more sensible approach. This makes the content more readable when viewing without styles.
    * the default layout looks more esthetic to me

    But unfortunately, I realize a switch to a different forum software can be much more troublesome than upgrading to a newer version. The decisions have been made so we'll be stuck with vbulletin for quite some time I think...

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    Quote Originally Posted by molona
    I don't think there's a problem with this if you style the :focus but I confess that I'm not an accessibility expert... give me a year or so... and I will be!
    It's not, since you *should* be styling :focus in most if not all places you're styling :hover anyway, BUT this means you need to remember EVERY anchor. What's much better is to only remove outline where you have already a good :focus style in place and specifically need/want to remove "ugly" outlines. Usually an image-heavy pretty main menu, or clickable icons, nothing else.

    Esp since IE7 will show outlines on :focus if you don't remove them, but won't accept any actual :focus styles... except outline: none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph.m View Post
    Upgrade hasn't happened yet. This week some time. Will be a big change.
    Ah, this was my thought process.

    Login (which was weird)
    Check to see if any weird updates going on here (there was this thread)
    First post was a while ago, assume it happened a while ago.
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    Welcome back Ryan
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    Can't wait for the upgrade, definitely interesting.

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    OP was Aug 19th (Friday). "Early next week" was last week (Wed was 24th) - so where is it?
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    Was gonna say... ten days. NOT that I'm complaining, I've used vBull 4 -- take ALL the time you want. You want to take an extra month or two so it's not a fat bloated useless train wreck that sends users like myself hunting for greener pastures -- hell, take all the time you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deathshadow60 View Post
    Was gonna say... ten days. NOT that I'm complaining, I've used vBull 4 -- take ALL the time you want. You want to take an extra month or two so it's not a fat bloated useless train wreck that sends users like myself hunting for greener pastures -- hell, take all the time you need.
    I agree... I am all for the upgrade as I think this forum could use it but IMHO I'd rather have it take a month or two and see vB4 cleaned up and stripped down to sane code then to have to deal with the standard vB4. But since Sarah said it's a matter of the servers dying if it is not upgraded I guess you have to do what you have to do. I just hope the clean-up process doesn't take too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siteguru View Post
    OP was Aug 19th (Friday). "Early next week" was last week (Wed was 24th) - so where is it?
    LOL, where is the fire?
    One more week, one month... who cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by siteguru View Post
    OP was Aug 19th (Friday). "Early next week" was last week (Wed was 24th) - so where is it?
    You've gotta remember that down here in Australia / New Zealand, we are a week a head of you, so "next week" here means in two weeks for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph.m View Post
    You've gotta remember that down here in Australia / New Zealand, we are a week a head of you, so "next week" here means in two weeks for you.
    Oh no your not... your only a day ahead of us here in the US.

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    Sorry guys. We're just doing last minute testing because I had a freak out last week. The devs and I didn't quite see eye to eye. We're almost there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRaptor View Post
    Oh no your not... your only a day ahead of us here in the US.
    Not only that but lets not forget they're in there upside down too compare to us.



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