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    Lightbulb Google Plus. Thoughts? Experiences?

    Now that Google Plus is opening up invites at a fairly aggressive rate let's start a discussion about, what some are calling, a potential killer [or at least disruptor] of facebook. Others already dismiss it as another failed attempt to enter the market with something too tech focused, too similar and too late.

    I think we can all agree that even someone the size of Google is going to have a tough time breaking 750 million users... Bing v Google, Apple v PC, there's dozens of examples of failed tries, even from those with huge checkbooks to make a move, and Google has certainly failed at this before... But then there was circles.

    Circles that let you segment your connections into an infinite number of groups so that you can share something with whomever you want. And that's a whole new spin on privacy, an opportunity for many more people in just one place. It's a big divergence from Facebook's open approach and drawing a lot of commentary from early adopters and regular users alike.

    So SPF, what do you think so far? What are the limitations or opportunities you see opening up?

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    hi

    i think google achieve target which is set by facebook's like button.
    But still facebook's like buttons are here to use

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    Although it's always much easier to critique than praise, it seems like the "Plus" is getting a lot of frowns at this stage in its existence. Granted it's still way too early to make snap judgments. However, you'll notice Facebook has only 1,401 plus one's - seems a tad light, no?

    The idea is in the right place, just needs some more traction in order to make an accurate assessment of its value.
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    It probably won't catch on with the same force and intensity that the facebook "like" button has.

    Google keeps trying to cash in on the social networking craze, but doesn't quite succeed because what they release is always a knockoff of something else which had already been established and was proven to stand on its own.
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    How about circles? It's a very different approach to privacy than Facebook... think that will give them any legs?

    [to be clear, I'm talking about google plus, the social network from google, not just +1]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted S View Post
    How about circles? It's a very different approach to privacy than Facebook... think that will give them any legs?

    [to be clear, I'm talking about google plus, the social network from google, not just +1]
    I think it will give them a leg-up in a way...people who start using it may be different from facebook users in that they may be more private and reserved. I like Google Circles' approach to privacy...think their main users may be a slightly older demographic...?

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    The Google bar is powerful. Really powerful.

    Circles is cool and, if it works, I think it isn't because Facebook doesn't offer this functionality (which it essentially does), it is because Circles communicates it in a clearer, more visual way. It's not a list of settings.

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    I've tried all of google's products as they became available, including Wave and Buzz. Wave was sort of a fun way to essentially email, but nothing too spectacular, and it died quickly. Google hasn;t accepted my request to join Plus yet, but I'm very interested to see how it works out. Their marketing video is actually somewhat compelling. Having a decent alternative to facebook will be nice, though I like fb too. Just not crazy about monopolies.

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    I personally think Google plus has potential to get people attentions. Its really hard to say something now because Google+ is in initial stage.

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    It might be a great site but since they stopped accepting new signups almost immediately most people are currently unable to access it at all and those that are able to access it are complaining that they can't use it because none of their friends are able to sign up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by felgall View Post
    It might be a great site but since they stopped accepting new signups almost immediately most people are currently unable to access it at all and those that are able to access it are complaining that they can't use it because none of their friends are able to sign up.
    The paradox [or maybe just conflict] of the closed alpha.

    On one hand Google loses a lot of buzz and momentum every day they dont open things up. As you said, early invitees are getting bored and the tech conversations only last so long.

    On the other side you've got the risk of a site that isn't ready for primetime and scares of the general populous. Since there is clearly an alternative out there it's really a one shot, win or go home proposition.

    While I don't have the benefit [or curse as the case may be] of all the feedback & usage data, my $0.02 is that the gates should be opened up while there's enough people pushing to get something going.... Usually the anticipation of slow acceptance works to build up traction but this isn't a small venture and the only way to get a user to stick is to be so much bolder and move entire social circles moving over in very short order.

    Reasons not to do this would primarily be load [no uptime, no bueno], impending game changers [the feature that makes everything so far look unimportant] or the realization that the system as is is not a game changer [why blow your shot if you know you missed it].

    Like any network, Plus fails if people are still checking the old site and preferring what they see so momentum is critical. Not to mention it gives Facebook even more time to launch and push features that rival, or supersede anything plus does.
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    although Google plus is trying to bring in new features....it will probably take a lot of time to beat or even compete with face-book...
    New features added in Google+ seem to be very boring and yet different...lets see...what happens to Google+ after its release!!

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    nickthomas25,

    True. However, I remember when I got my Android phone about a year ago, all the chatter said that Android devices would never catch Apple because Apple just had too much of a head start (now people are saying that about the HP Touch Pad. Now look. FB is likely here to stay, but google may make significant inroads with plus. I hope they do: competition is good.

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    Well, the project is still under experimental phase. At this point of time we can just speculate things... I am sure this is going to be a tough competition for facebook.
    It seems Google is all set to beat major social networking websites because the project appears to have many interesting applications like, +circles, +spark, +hangout etc.

    Facebook is pulling its socks up to match the new features g Google +.... I ‘ve heard that facebook is collaborating with skype for providing video calling...

    Facebook and Google + face-off is definitely going to be very interesting.

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    I think at this point Google+ has enough cool features to draw in techies and people looking for a Facebook alternative. It has been getting rave reviews from pretty much every sector, and people are fighting to get invitations. For that reason I don't think it's going to go the way of wave or buzz, both of which were essentially incomplete projects with bad execution. I don't think 750 million Facebook users are just going to switch to Google+, but certainly many with privacy concerns and those currently not using Facebook because of those concerns will try this out.

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    I think Google is entering the market too late, but that said, it might take off. Facebook is here to stay but Google+ might create some much needed competition and even rival Facebook (?).

    Still as Zorro D said, all we can do is speculate at this point. Only time will tell. Has anyone from here been invited to try it?

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    It annoys me that every day I see a tweet that it's now open for subscriptions (from relatively reputable sources), and then I go to the site only to find it's not true.
    One of the reasons wave failed (IMO) is because they had this same very closed beta idea, and I really fail to see why they would do this again. I mean, what use is google+ to me if I'm on there but none of the people I know are ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScallioXTX View Post
    It annoys me that every day I see a tweet that it's now open for subscriptions (from relatively reputable sources), and then I go to the site only to find it's not true.
    One of the reasons wave failed (IMO) is because they had this same very closed beta idea, and I really fail to see why they would do this again. I mean, what use is google+ to me if I'm on there but none of the people I know are ?
    According to Google they are rolling it out in waves, like Gmail was originally, so it's not actually like Wave in execution. Also in Google+ you can share with people in your circle regardless of if they are actually in Google+ or not, another differentiator from Facebook. If you're not on the actual network and you're in someone's circle, you'll just get sent an email with the content.

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    Google has done this "invite only" beta model for many of their releases. That's how gmail started out. Not sure what their rationale is, but I suspect it's the simple marketing to scarcity technique. In any case, they have not accepted my request for an invite yet, but I've looked over the shoulder of firends who are in. It seems like a very nice alternative to fb, and as said above, much needed competition.

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    I have received invites to join but every time I try it is closed.

    They are rapidly headed for failure if they don't let groups of people join up to try it out.

    Not much point in a social network where the few that have access don't know anyone else who has access.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffreyYu7 View Post
    According to Google they are rolling it out in waves, like Gmail was originally, so it's not actually like Wave in execution. Also in Google+ you can share with people in your circle regardless of if they are actually in Google+ or not, another differentiator from Facebook. If you're not on the actual network and you're in someone's circle, you'll just get sent an email with the content.
    Hm, so every time I get a tweet the site is closed again before I get there? Hm, seeing as those tweets is global and there's probably an immense run on it that makes sense.
    I still find it an odd way of introducing something though, but then again I'm not a marketeer, so what do I know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScallioXTX View Post
    I still find it an odd way of introducing something though, but then again I'm not a marketeer, so what do I know?
    Marketer or not, your point is one of the big debates on Plus right now.

    There's a certain value in the hype factor for a new venture, and there's certainly prudence in making sure it all works / can support the load, but that has to be balanced against an empty sandbox and of course, dissipating hype.

    My tech circle grows and grows as I discover new people but in actual real world friends I've got under 10 on Plus which means I'm still tied to facebook with no reason to think about changing. For those 10, half are non-techies and they've been less and less active as there's just not much for them to do.

    Facebook's amazing growth can really be attributed to the way in which it launched both in access and adoption. One day a school had never heard of Facebook, the next it was the only thing people were using. When the doors opened up beyond colleges a similar spill over would happen to friend circles as early adopters roped people in.

    At some point very soon Google has to replicate that mass effect or Plus becomes relegated to a second network. Of course they only get one real shot so making sure the ducks are all lined up is worth some about of hype burn... it's just a matter of how much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by felgall View Post
    I have received invites to join but every time I try it is closed.

    They are rapidly headed for failure if they don't let groups of people join up to try it out.

    Not much point in a social network where the few that have access don't know anyone else who has access.
    Same thing happened when google introduced gmail in the beginning. I think google should focus on "search" instead of social networking where their expertise lies in. You can't become monopoly.

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    Google+ is only under public testing. Access to the Google+ is currently by invitations only and also it is under test by limited number of users only. I just submitted the entry form for Google+. I think Hangouts - Group video chat feature is a notable thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Collision View Post
    Access to the Google+ is currently by invitations only and also it is under test by limited number of users only.
    Very limited - I got an invite ages ago and have made dozens of attempts to use it without success.
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