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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    Closest I could get to was Motorrijschool EMO and what's still quite inaccessible with that one is from the design... how small the dropdown options are. But I could only code it, not change how it was supposed to look.
    Nice work, poes. It works well with VoiceOver, although I wasn't able to tab through it via the keyboard. Does it work in Opera? (Must learn how to do it with that browser. FF tabbing didn't really work, unless I'm missing something.)

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    Works in my browsers tabbing. With or without JS. It's just CSS.
    For Opera need to Shift+arrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by EarlyOut View Post
    As a developer, do I really need to develop a page that will provide you with a reasonably complete experience even if you turn off everything?
    We all accept that, if a user turns off all stylesheets and scripts, they won't get an optimal experience. It won't look so fancy, there may be some enhancement features that don't work. That's fine. All we want is for the essential base content to be there and accessible.

    Think of another aspect to it. The fastest growing areas of internet usage are (a) developing countries, which typically have neither the infrastructure nor the equipment to support high-bandwidth sites using the latest technology, and (b) mobile phones which are not limited to top-end smartphones. Many phone browsers don't fully support Javascript, so if you're relying on it for essential functionality such as navigation, you're cutting out a large section of mobile phone users.

    Should I use only bright colors in case you set the brightness on your monitor down to almost zero? Should I never use an accented character in case you're restricted to ASCII? Do I have to provide a graceful degredation path if you're using an LA120 with a 1200-baud modem to access the site?
    If I have my monitor set up in a significantly non-typical way, the chances are that I will also be using a custom stylesheet, which means that every site will meet whatever contrast and colour requirements I have as long as it's been designed correctly.

    If I'm using a browser that won't display anything other than ASCII then it should degrade unsupported characters to the nearest equivalent or a suitable combination. So would come out as a, → would come out as -> and so on. That's been the case since I was using Lynx in the last millennium.

    If I'm using a 1200 baud modem then I should take whatever steps I want to improve the loading speed. That's likely to involve turning off images and plug-ins, and possibly stylesheets and scripts. Sure, I understand I won't be able to watch videos that's never going to be possible with that transfer rate but I still expect the basic text content to be available.

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    Furthermore HTML 4.01 was designed to be semantic and had another advantage over *.txt in that it allowed the use of hyperlinks. JS is not a W3C technology, client-side scripts can move and alter the browser dimensions and so forth, normative Strict HTML 4.01 and CSS cannot resize the browser, etc.

    Regarding the support of characters - that is up to the user agent vendor not the web author. All good browsers support the Unicode repertoire anyway. HTML 4.01 Strict does not convey colour either (because not all browsers are visual) and provides fallbacks for 'alternative' content or objects, like images.


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