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    Whats the point? What about people who want to use the old browsers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Force Flow View Post
    It's not laziness...it's just not cost effective to hack in features for older browsers (and/or lesser-used browsers), like IE 5.5 and 6. While on the other hand, these features are built-in and readily available in newer browsers. I can spend a couple hours on a design and have it work perfectly in firefox, chrome, safari, and opera...but IE always needs some massaging, and I often spend up to a few days working out the kinks and bringing things up to par because of missing browser features or non-standardized standards.
    On the same subject, no one has mentioned the fact that omitting what may be useless markup will save a company like Google thousands on bandwidth costs. Yes, it's crappy coding practices, but the guys at Google aren't stupid. I bet they know the specs inside and out and that these decisions are made not just with the web in mind, but their bottom line.

    Also, no one has mentioned that most news outlets are carrying what I feel is a sensationalist headline. Yes, Google are the company that are dropping IE6 support, but only on a few of their apps. The search engine will likely continue to support old browsers, as well their ad platforms.

    In my eyes, if you've not dropped IE6 already you're well behind the times. I'm already considering dropping support for IE7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the.peregrine View Post
    My feelings are mixed. I appreciate the need to leave deprecated and browser-specific markup behind, but I wonder whether Google will support Lynx, a text-only browser that's very useful for the blind -- or Classilla and iCab, which are useful for people keeping alive those classic (pre-OS X) Macs? Too few people already are practicing progressive enhancement, but if Google keeps accessibility in mind while making this move I will be pleased.
    Google has a lightwieght html only option so you don't need to view it in all text. I don't give a **** about this news because I will always have the latest browser

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    Hi,

    I know that it's not good for workplace.

    It will also effect work out put

    Thanks
    cheshpattinson

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheshpattinson View Post
    Hi,

    I know that it's not good for workplace.

    It will also effect work out put

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    cheshpattinson
    Nah, it'll only push the lazy IT people to upgrade browsers, that's all.

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    i don't think it will have any bad impact on user's end, as sometimes to provide quality product for a greater user base we need to compensate few odd users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ULTiMATE View Post
    In my eyes, if you've not dropped IE6 already you're well behind the times. I'm already considering dropping support for IE7.
    See, to me that's just plain lazy. Sure, there's all sort of gee ain't it neat new stuff -- but really if you can't make a page that works all the way back to IE6... and I'm talking works, NOT pixel perfect with every single gee-whiz newtech, you probably aren't writing accessible code, semantic code, relying on RECOMMENDATIONS instead of DRAFT, practicing separation of presentation from content, or the dozen other things that make supporting IE moronically simple once you master "OH NOES" not using width/height the same time as padding/border the same direction, not using comments in a manner that causes rendering bugs in IE and some versions of FF, Not slapping classes on everything for no good reason, and the handful of other things that if you do from the start should make supporting back to even IE 5.5 EASY... IDIOTICALLY SIMPLE!!! Doesn't have to be pixel perfect, but it should at least WORK.

    ... and in fact, failing to use such practices may in fact miss the POINT of HTML in the first place. But then, I say the same thing about HTML 3.2 and HTML 5 -- they missed the point compared to HTML 2 and HTML 4 strict. It's like the odd numbered ones are for people who don't get it and even numbered are for people who do... Be interesting the next two or three decades seeing if the pattern holds... just how much of the bloated useless non-semantic being sold as semantic bull gets cut away in HTML 6 just like 4 STRICT was to 3.2... and of course 6 Tranny that will be to HTML 5 as 4 Tranny is to 3.2 -- basically just so the people who are keeping their heads wedged up 1998's backside can stay there.

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    It is really appreciated making the Internet users to use Google creations with their newly updated browsers and it is really notable that some not supported in older browsers. For Internet users, it is really good being up to date with the browsers to get more advantages and access more number of features. But, not everyone can able to be up to date and some many intend to use older browsers. At present, i'm using Mozilla 5.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deathshadow60 View Post
    See, to me that's just plain lazy. Sure, there's all sort of gee ain't it neat new stuff -- but really if you can't make a page that works all the way back to IE6... and I'm talking works, NOT pixel perfect with every single gee-whiz newtech, you probably aren't writing accessible code, semantic code, relying on RECOMMENDATIONS instead of DRAFT, practicing separation of presentation from content, or the dozen other things that make supporting IE moronically simple once you master "OH NOES" not using width/height the same time as padding/border the same direction, not using comments in a manner that causes rendering bugs in IE and some versions of FF, Not slapping classes on everything for no good reason, and the handful of other things that if you do from the start should make supporting back to even IE 5.5 EASY... IDIOTICALLY SIMPLE!!! Doesn't have to be pixel perfect, but it should at least WORK.
    You're using the assumption that we're not writing code to standards and that it flat-out doesn't work with IE6. All of our code validates, and it probably works in IE6. The reason we don't support it is because there simply aren't enough people using it to make it worthwhile. We get more users browsing our sites using the PS3 than with IE6. Does this mean that we should get a PS3 in the office to see if our sites work on it? We have no reason to support IE6, nor should we. Hell, if a client asks for their site to support IE6 we charge extra; a now common practice amongst most digital agencies.

    To be frank, if you're working on company time then spending extra time to make a site work in IE6 is wasted money. Why should we support IE6 anyway, why not support IE5? There are people that still use it (2 in the past year for us, and they may have been us playing in a VM). Where should we draw the line?

    Quote Originally Posted by deathshadow60 View Post
    ... and in fact, failing to use such practices may in fact miss the POINT of HTML in the first place.
    You're evangelising the spec far too much, when in reality everyone wants IE6 to die a horrible death. Even Microsoft want it gone, although only because it will result in more people buying Windows 7 and removing the horrible reputation their browsers now hold. As far as I am concerned IE6 isn't a browser, it's a tool that only continues to exist because of legacy corporate software.

    It's hardly beyond anyone's ability to write slightly different CSS to handle IE6, but we shouldn't have to. I am more than happy to ditch IE6 and IE7 if it means we'll get an extra half hour out of the day to spend working on back-end development. It annoys me to no end that, in this day and age, we're left to support FOUR versions of IE that lack basic features found in Firefox or Chrome.

    A fun note; on one of our sites we cleared out all CSS and provided an extremely basic stylesheet for IE6 to style the text a bit nicer. Our form fill-ins increased dramatically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ULTiMATE View Post
    A fun note; on one of our sites we cleared out all CSS and provided an extremely basic stylesheet for IE6 to style the text a bit nicer. Our form fill-ins increased dramatically.
    That may be an indication you might want to try that for everyone else, not just IE6 users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemon Juice View Post
    And google not only rejects old browsers. For example, in Seamonkey 2.0 (based on FF 3.5) the live search-as-you-type doesn't work on the main google page. Neither works their 'improved' image result pages. They fall back to the old plain html versions.
    I don't have a big problem with that, because the essential functionality (being able to carry out a search) still works. The live search-as-you-type is an additional enhancement that may or may not work depending on what browser you use, but that doesn't matter so much, because if it doesn't work you haven't lost any essential functionality.

    Personally I'm very happy that live search-as-you-type doesn't work in Opera because I find it irritating as heck.

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    Good step taken by Google to motivate and forcing the people to come toward the new web browsers.Google chrome is best in all...It will help all those companies to keep on moving towards the new web browsers so that they can keep continue their work on Google docs etc....!!!

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    Moving to newer versions always has benefits... usually it has something to do with security and performance concerns.

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    Well its kinda big news but whatever its not gonna effect any of my work I don't use outdated browser anymore... Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie D View Post
    The live search-as-you-type is an additional enhancement that may or may not work depending on what browser you use, but that doesn't matter so much, because if it doesn't work you haven't lost any essential functionality.
    Which is how ALL such "enhancements" should be built to work; frankly I wish there was a way to turn OFF suck enhancements more reliably -- especially bandwidth hogging annoying crap like that "search as you type"... which they JUST made start working in Opera and I hate it. Thankfully for most of my searches I just do it in the address bar anyways.

    Wasn't that one of the things that flushed "ask" down the toilet? Guess even old mistakes are new.


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