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    Your Lord and Master, Foamy gold trophy Hierophant's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by M. Johansson
    The destroys the image I previously had of you. I thought you could read 2 posts per second and that you had fingers like lasers.

    This is like when I discovered that santa was fake.
    Actually I can and I do.. However there has to be motive to want to.

    Now that this is totally off-topic, what are the benefits if any built into the new OSes planned from Microsoft pertaining to .NET?
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    Greater speed, inbuilt security for .NET-only mechanisms (.NET degrades nicely, so if programmers take advantage of these, other OS's won't lose out), ease of deployment (it's not just a .NET-ready OS, it's an OS based on .NET, so deployment is a non-issue), etc.

    Basically, in the past, developing in .NET was like developing on top of a layer on top of the OS. With the new OS versions, it will be like developing a normal program (with a smaller footprint of course).

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    You can't expect me to read all 8 pages (at 40 posts per page) of this thread can you?
    why not? I just wasted an entire afternoon reading all 12? Pages mind you not posts. It's been one of the most meandering threads I've ever read in my life. But on the other hand probably one of the most educational.
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    SitePoint Wizard silver trophy Jeremy W.'s Avatar
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    Well, it IS a year old, so some stuff will be out of date, but ah well, it was certainly...

    Maybe I'll go back and read it all See what folk said
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    it was enlightening from the point of view of someone who has deliberately avoided anything that even remotely looked like "programming". A nice little history lesson so to speak.
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    Wow, interesting read. Also interesting that after a year I can still stand by pretty much everything that was said, while people who were truly fear-mongering couldn't...

    Or is that just my slanted perspective?

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    No, it's not just you. I can't say much about .net except it's not for me. And just for the record, that theory thing was out there.
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    I realised why most of what I said I can stand by: because most of my debating is making statements about .NET. Most of some people's, Harry's for instance (not to pick on him), is attacking .NET while promoting PHP.

    Just like Harry isn't likely to be all that wrong about his PHP statements, so I wasn't all that wrong about my .NET ones. It's the statements where someone from one camp claims, assumes or attacks something from another that haven't stood the test of time.

    I'm no angel, but it was an interesting read

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy W.
    Greater speed, inbuilt security for .NET-only mechanisms (.NET degrades nicely, so if programmers take advantage of these, other OS's won't lose out), ease of deployment (it's not just a .NET-ready OS, it's an OS based on .NET, so deployment is a non-issue), etc.

    Basically, in the past, developing in .NET was like developing on top of a layer on top of the OS. With the new OS versions, it will be like developing a normal program (with a smaller footprint of course).

    J
    The new CE.NET platform is probably the best platform for mobile development, right now, due to this.
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    Cmon... lets start a new rant...

    any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trickie
    Cmon... lets start a new rant...

    any ideas?
    Oh, I can think of a few (XML, OO/DBMS, MySQL, etc.)...

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    Just to be an ***, I realised Yahoo's using ASP as well for LaunchCAST

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    Is it plain asp, or asp.net? Isn't there a diffrence?
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    It's plain ASP, and there's a massive difference
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    ok, nice to know I'm not a total idiot. Then is it just me or wouldn't it have been "nice" to take advantage of some of the integration you have with .net? ie. using the client's media player instead of the "launchcast player" or is that just totally undoable?
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    Totally doable, but if ASP is "worthy", perhaps .NET is as well, but it's still a total redevelopment, so they may choose to use PHP to fit in with their larger development goals

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    Don't get me wrong.....I'm having the time of my life learning php and I can't say the same for my very brief forray into asp (.net just made my eyes bleed) BUT there's a time and a place for everything. As for development goals, I always thought the number one goal should be for the user to have the most goodies for the least amount of effort. Or is this one of those "wrong answer" moments?
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    I meant more like: Yahoo's moving to a BSD environment, so it's likely better for them to keep moving that way than to have 1 ASP property. That's all

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    Good Point. I bow to your greater wisdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattR
    Oh, I can think of a few (XML, OO/DBMS, MySQL, etc.)...
    All right... i'm up for MySQL.


    I'll start, 'MySQL sux, and you can all fight me about it!!!!'

    back to the topic... Jeremy, how old/new is the launchcast portal?

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    trickie: No clue, I havne't visited it in years (great software though). It used to be a custom scripting language when I used to visit though.
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    The bottom line .NET is expensive, not easy to learn, non-crossplatform and another Microsoft product with bugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous
    The bottom line .NET is expensive, not easy to learn, non-crossplatform and another Microsoft product with bugs
    .NET is not expensive. You can actually develop for it for free if you already have windows. I'll give you that it's not easy to learn, but that is not due to the technology, but rather due to the fact that Object Oriented Programming is hard to learn. It's just as hard to get to that level in PHP. Also, .NET has a functioning Linux implementation and I have not run into a bug so far.
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    Why do I get the feeling that somebody just keeps re-registering under different names just to dig up old anti-MS threads?
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    I find it interesting that the first feature to entice this .Net enthusiast was the auto-html-generating set of objects. What's the point of auto-generating html when css/xhtml is a perfectly acceptable markup language iteself? Which of the following seems easiest to code: 1) ColorSelect.Items.Add('AzureBlue'); 2) <option>AzureBlue</option> I recently migrated a client from ASP.Net to PHP and part of their problem was all the auto-generated html only worked in Microsoft browsers! hmm, why is that not surprising. I should clarify here that this auto-generated html beef also goes out to many PHP developers who build form-generating objects, html template objects (and there are many which compare to .Net).... here is the message: learn html/CSS and make your life so much easier and make your code portable between browsers. Here are some great starting points for harnassing the power of html and styles: http://www.csszengarden.com/ http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/


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