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    China

    So I know that I'd probably sell a lot in China if I got myself on their SEs, but I'm concerned about fraud.

    I was hoping the fraud has died down since I last heard about it, but I just asked my gateway & they said there's still a lot of fraud.

    Who out there advertises & sells to China & what are your thoughts?


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    No one?

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    Oh, not all people will like, there is bad, but most are good, so they have to learn to judge, but in general is still good.

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    That didn't help me at all, but now I'm hungry


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    It's a country with no cultural respect for property or intellectual rights.

    China will be a haven for fraud for a long time to come, I wouldn't touch that market with a ten foot pole if it was anything that was easily stolen. If you're selling cars or washing machines or something physical from a retail location that would be different.

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    k

    Have you tried to do biz over there?


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    Ofcourse he hasn't!

    I say go for it.

    Maybe try Singapore too while you're at it

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    Ok I'll bite, LOL, have you done biz over there?


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    I guess you can say that, yeah. Can I help you with anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reddvinylene View Post
    Ofcourse he hasn't!
    I also don't do business in Nigeria.

    The only difference being that I don't actually know anyone from Nigeria who has told me never to do business with that country.

    China I know quite a few immigrants from who have told me not to and who refuse to buy anything from there if they can avoid it.

    Lead in paint for toys, illegal amounts of lead in their toys, melamine in their formula, chemicals used to speed up the drying process for green tea, etc...

    You raise several generations in a communist system where those who are corrupt and where you have to learn to abuse the system to survive and certain traits are going to rise to the forefront.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tke71709 View Post
    China I know quite a few immigrants from who have told me not to and who refuse to buy anything from there if they can avoid it.
    I'm loving my Volvo

    Quote Originally Posted by tke71709 View Post
    Lead in paint for toys, illegal amounts of lead in their toys, melamine in their formula, chemicals used to speed up the drying process for green tea, etc...
    I hear you, but you gotta keep in mind those were products for poor people by poor people (I'm guessing the same kinda people that left China and migrated to whereever it is you're living). This is a fading problem though, with a new and rapidly growing middle class which can afford the same standards of living as us in the West, as well as government sanctions against any business who ****s up like that again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reddvinylene View Post
    I guess you can say that, yeah. Can I help you with anything?
    What does that mean you guess?

    My products (the main ones) are e-books, so I am concerned about them stealing the material & reselling it as someone else mentioned.

    The market is there for me, I just wonder about the risk & that's even with the safety parameters I have in place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by exoticpublishing View Post
    What does that mean you guess?
    I do business in China and elsewhere in Asia, but I don't target ethnic Chinese.

    Quote Originally Posted by exoticpublishing View Post
    My products (the main ones) are e-books, so I am concerned about them stealing the material & reselling it as someone else mentioned.

    The market is there for me, I just wonder about the risk & that's even with the safety parameters I have in place.
    Have you looked into EPUB, Kindle and iPad?

    Lynda.com: InDesign CS5 to EPUB, Kindle, and iPad

    Could always hire a coder to design a script that searches the web for any plagiarism:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwbw9KF-ACY (click CC to enable subtitles)

    And then hire a great Chinese lawyer.

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    Hi,

    All good ideas, but I don't offer my kits via those methods yet b/c they aren't really books, they are kits where the files need to be printed out in order to be used. Some even in legal sized paper.

    Plus at this point they are wrapped in a security software (.exe) so people can't steal them, but we all know the Chinese can crack anything

    So when you say you don't specifically market to the Chinese, who do you market to in that area & how?

    Thanks


    Michelle

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    Plus I don't have the money to hire lawyers in China LOL

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    I deal with China on a regular basis, except I buy from them.

    If you're selling any kind of intellectual material, you should probably approach with extreme caution. From my experience, the Chinese are very honest and well-grounded people, but they view any type of intellectual property in the same light most North Americans view downloading music or movie..."it's not really stealing"
    www.ChineseImporting.com Guide to importing products from China.

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    k, thank you


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    Better to start your business in Taiwan, Hong Kong or Singapore before you go into China.

    I am a Taiwanese and I think know the difference between Chinese and Western culture. I have a friend who has his book printed and sold more than 20 editions in China, but he only got paid for the 1st edition.

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    How was he getting paid? Didn't he get the money upfront?

    I'm pretty sure HK is in China LOL

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    He got paid upfront for the 1st edition from the publisher. He found his book is in 22 edition in the bookstore a year later.

    Maybe I can help you if you have interest in Taiwan.

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    Ahh, I see. I think over here authors get an advance upfront.

    Well if you want to PM me, we can talk. I don't know what your qualifications are though.

    Thanks


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    Quote Originally Posted by exoticpublishing View Post
    How was he getting paid? Didn't he get the money upfront?

    I'm pretty sure HK is in China LOL
    HK is in China as much as Canada is in the British Empire. OK, maybe not quite that extreme, but point being, they're two worlds apart, especially in terms of business practices.
    www.ChineseImporting.com Guide to importing products from China.

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    Ok, I didn't know.

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    We cannot really give a meaningful answer without knowing one thing: Other than the fact that China is full of people, do you have any evidence that YOUR product will be successful in their markets?

    I'd say that tke71709 is spot on. China is a huge market, but it's a market that even the big players choose to leave out because their efforts would be wasted and there would be little to no gain to enter the Chinese market without a lasting presence and true insider knowledge. The only time when this advice would be irrelevant is if you knew people with knowledge of markets in China that can say with some certainty (and a history of doing business well in China) that you could sell your product successfully in their country.

    You're selling an eBook, and you'll find that it's one of the easiest things to steal and redistribute. I have experience with students from China and it's VERY common for people to take lecture notes, ebooks and other western media and simply rewrite it themselves or record it in MP3 format to sell on the black markets.

    In short, without constant and powerful inside help you'll have NO chance of success in China with an eBook.


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