I would like to know how much you guys make as webmasters ... you don't have to state if you don't want to ... or maybe you can give a rough estimate ??
This should be interesting if anybody answers This question to me is like asking a women how many karats her diamond is when she says she is engaged, or asking someone you don't know well how much they paid for their new house.
Though not all of my contract work is strictly web design, I hope to make between $80 and $100 thousand this year. It depends on overtime on my current project though which is averaging 15 hours a week.
I should also add to Matt's post that truly talented Web Developers can get up to $100,000 or a bit more, depending on the array of skills and also the type of companies. For example, senior ColdFusion developers can easily command at least $90-120K.
Webmasters on the other hand are a slightly different breed over here in Oz, in that they're usually also responsible for server maintenance, FTP, network mgt. to/from server, etc. These command around $40-90K.
Well if you look on a job site its not hard to find a listing for a Database Programmer at $140 an hour. Thats not entirely purely webdesign though.
I worked for a brief period of time as a contractor through this "frontpage" webdesign company. They demanded all the people use frontpage to make sites (I think because the boss was stupid and thats all he knew so he needed to be able to edit the sites himself) Anyways they didn't have anyone who could code or program, and they needed someone, so I did 1 perl script for them, took me 5 hours, got paid $500 and then left cause they wanted me to use frontpage. But they paid their web designers (now this is small time if you just know frontpage) $10 an hour.
Right now I'm going to school and working, I make around $100 an hour+ but its not full time. If it eventually becomes fulltime I'll be making quite a bit though. Another good source of income for us independent people is to start a hosting company by being a reseller for another one. I "host" all the sites I make and I take a $25 a month profit off each. Not much by itself but after 10 sites thats $250 a month, which is near my rent, after 20 sites thats an extra 6 grand a year, and so on.
Depends what work I do as to how much I earn, most of my work is programming now mainly PHP but sometimes VB.
On a current project I was getting £100 an hour for PHP work. As for VB, it is usually a fixed cost piece of work and usually between £50-£100+ an hour.
Another big part of my work is maintenance work, which i sometimes do for free If I have time (It keeps clients happy) but most of the time I charge between £10-£25 an hour.
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Karl Austin KDA Web Services
"Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film."
Anywhere from 35k to 100K for the top guys. It all dedpends. Degrees? I tell you, I have seen some kids that can program better that grown-ups with Computer science degrees and yes I would pay the kids more!!!. The proof is in the pudding when it comes to programming.
Wes, personally I prefer to request 'on-call' fees instead of charging monthly or yearly, since it's really dependant on how much updating the client wants. Of course, the best option is to state that 'updating' should be done constantly to keep customers coming back, and then charge slightly above-average rates for the updating and promotion. Clients usually don't mind at all since they see the result
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote/font><HR>Originally posted by BC: Clients usually don't mind at all since they see the result <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's the thing, if they can see the resutls of the updating then they are happy - and if you charge them more than normal you aren't out of pockeet when you change something behind the scenes that they don't see (That way they think they are seeing all the changes and only paying for those that they see, and it keeps you happy too).
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Karl Austin KDA Web Services
"Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film."
I've been at this web stuff for awhile but havn't made any noteworthy profits yet. I attribute part of this to running a baseball site while getting the hang of it all (baseball online is not a lucrative market)...however I think the investments I've made with my time recently will begin to pay off shortly.
As for design and programming...I charge a flat rate when I'm designing a website with a small monthly fee for maintenance if it's needed. Charging hourly is good for some things, but I find that my clients enjoy knowing exactly how much they'll have to pay...they also don't have to worry themselves over whether or not I'm kicking back and stretching my hours out.
Don't know enough about programming to comment all that much, but I definetly agree with Matt's sentiment that they're paid more.
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I get £10 hour for perl programming, maintaining sites on a cobalt raq3 server, setting up search engines submissions with adweb and looking after the computer network (only 5 computers at the moment).
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote/font><HR>Originally posted by Owen: Or get exact results: (snip)
I'm not sure what the difference between webdesigner 1, 2, and 3 is though...
Hope this helps,
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Owen, I looked at the description of each of the web designer fields (1, 2, &3) and it looks as though 1 requires little or no creative talent, very supervised, told exactly what to do- doesn't use any of his/her own ideas.
2- 3 yrs. experience, A little bit of lattitude, use of some of your experience and knowledge in determining how everything will go. General knowledge of the main parts of the industry.
3- Must have ~ 4 years experience, allows a lot of lattitude and use of your own creativity, knowledge and judgement instead of just being told what to do. You should have a very good knowledge of most of the industry and are expected to do complex tasks.
I dont do this to make money. I offer all of my services for free, or at the very most, the cost of the registration of a program if i end up having to buy a program to do it. I end up losing money in the long run do to server costs and such, but I enjoy doing it, and to me that is all that matters.
This question to me is like asking a women how many karats her diamond is when she says she is engaged, or asking someone you don't know well how much they paid for their new house.
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