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    I finally have enough money to buy a decent new computer. I was thinking I should wait until the Pentium IV is out and buy a new P-IV system to keep on top of things.

    Does anyone know when the P-IV will be here? The Pentium III has been here for quite a while now, in fact for about 1 and a half years. I figure it is about time that the P-IV is released.

    I have read a newspaper article on the P-IV's release, but I have forgotten everything I have read. I can't find any info anywhere.

    Another thing: If I had a choice, I'd get an Athlon-based system, but I am going to be ordering online and the manufacturer I chose to purchase from (Dell) doesn't let you order Athy-based systems online. Does anyone know if I can get one somehow?

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    This is an interesting topic... I haven't heard too much talk about P-IV's myself but I've been keeping an eye open.

    It's about time that Dell starts putting out Athy systems... don't know if it will ever happen, but it is something they should be (and probably are) looking into. Dell and AMD are both industry leaders, and they really should be putting their equipment together so that us consumers can benefit from it. I would be interested in hearing what Dell's argument on this issue is... maybe you could write and ask them.

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    They aren't talking about PentiumIV's because the next generation chip is supposed to be called the "Itanium" because it has a different internal structure then the x86 architecture. Look for 3rd quarter 2001 for any new releases though from Intel whatever they decide to call it.

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    I don't think that Intel will come out with any more Pentium X chips after the PIII.

    The technology for Pentium chips is really lagging behind AMD's chips and Intel is quickly losing the consumer market share.

    But P-IV would be really cool though. I probably wouldn't buy it myself because I plan on getting a X GHz system next summer when I go off to college. Whatever speed is the highest that summer would represent the X.

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    Don't ask me, I'm still on Pentium II and Pentium I's!

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    Pentium 4 coming soon...

    Take a look at this article on C|Net
    http://news.cnet.com/news//0-1003-20...=st.cn.sr.ne.2



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    The Pentium IV (formally Willamete) will be released at initial speeds of 1.4Ghz with 2Ghz (Northwood) packaged in yet another new format called mPGA478 which as you may guess has 478 pins.

    The PIII is getting an overhaul as well, moving to 0.13micron and 200Mhz Bus, code-named Tualatin for launch mid 2001 to go with the Almador chip-set (rumoured to have DDR support)

    Also Timna from Intel is to be released second hal 2001, it is basically a celeron with graphics chip and memory controller on-chip.

    Also worth noting is that AMD are developing a 64bit Chip which should be superior to Intels Own 64Bit Itanium as the AMD chip will maintain full backwards compatability with the x86 instruction set which will make it faster at running 32bit applications (And who is going to want to scrap all of their existing applications because Intel can't come up with a good way adding 64bit whilst maintainging good 32 bit perfromance?)

    BTW the AMD chip is code-named SledgeHammer and is due sometime 2001.

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    I wouldn't bother buying any Intel thingies... They're lots more expensive than the ones of AMD and my AMD K II has showed his full potential.

    Christophe

    ps: I want a AMD Athlon. ;-)

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    Christophe: I agree with you on this point: No More Intel.

    It's quite simple: and AMD processor is cheaper, more reliable and it leads to a more stable system. So why should you even bother using an Intel processor?

    I'm going for a Duron

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    On a side note.

    You'll save a ton of money if you build your own system and you'll also get the buy the exact parts you want. And it's really not that hard, its really just alot of putting slot a into slot b etc. And if you get stuck I'm sure the people here can help you.

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    Yeah, building your own system IS cheap, until you accidently place the processor of some RAM in its place on the wrong way and it breaks OR you blow something up when you boot the first time.

    But that kind of things only happen the first time you do such a project.

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    I really would love to build my own system (in fact i sort have already built a system before). I am definately not afraid to build my comp - I would really look forward to it. Still, I feel like buying a new Dell rather than building from scratch. My next comp will be built from me, I just need something to carry me over for now.

    My best computer is a Pentium 0 166MHz, so I really want to get a new comp ASAP.


    Last night, I e-mailed Dell and asked them about AMD processors. I highly doubt I'll get anything in response, but you never know...

    So what do you guys recommend I get? I've read a lot of mags about AMD and Intel, but I haven't totally made up my mind.

    I want a fast comp (duh). I won't be doing too much gaming with it, but I will fire up Quake III every now and then.

    My budget: $4000-$4500

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    AMD is just good: it supports 3Dnow! AND MMX, while Intel only has MMX support (which will soon be replaced by a new instruction-set).

    Anyway, an AMD processor is cheaper while it's more reliable (and faster) than an Intel processor. There have been some reports that some mobos lead to an instable system, so that's very important. I heard that MSI mobos are very good, though.

    Good luck!

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    Doesn't the P-III support SSE which is a beefed up version of MMX?

    Also, I have heard that AMD chips are slightly less reliable than Intel ones.

    I'm willing to take the risk

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    Well I buy my parts using pricewatch.com

    I just went and looked, they have an AMD 1ghz processor listed at $495 and Intel ones at over a grand.

    Thats just one example of how much you can save building your own.

    RAM is at less than a dollar a megabyte now. With a $4000 budget you could get a 1ghz AMD processor, half a gb of ram, a 45 GB hard drive, a flat panel monitor, a cd-rom, cd writer, a voodoo 5 6000, awesome speakers and a good sound card, and still have money left over. Actually just out of curiousity let me price it out for you.

    AMD 1ghz $495
    (4) PC100 128mb SDRAM $109(ea)
    45gb 5800rpm HD $168
    4.5gb 10000rpm HD $124
    17inch LCD screen $1149
    72x CD-ROM $98
    4x4x24x CD-RW $109
    VooDoo 5 5500 $249
    Motherboard $89
    Case $75

    $2917 total without soundcard, keyboard, floppy drive, shipping and handling, mouse, etc.

    So add in all the little things, it'll probably come up to under $3500 and you'd have the most awesome system. Get a non LCD monitor (I have one and believe me it saves so much space I love it) and save even more, you could actually afford dual AMD 1ghz processors.

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    AMD less reliable? Hmm...

    I opted for an AMD chip over a Pentium with the same speed when I bought my latest machine a few weeks ago. From my experience and from what I have heard, AMD makes the better processor.

    Also, as someone previously stated, I would suggest building your own system rather than paying so much to have the Dell name slapped on there. Dell makes great systems, but if you want an AMD chip and more control over the features and everything you are better off building your own system, probably at about half of what Dell will charge you.

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    I just went to dell and priced a comparable system:

    $4,349.00

    The ram itself costs you $1300 through dell, $450 by yourself.

    And of course with dell you're paying for alot of stuff you might not really need or want, like software.

    Building your own is the way to go.

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    In lots of 1000, the Athlon costs more than the Pentium-III, granted the average price of AMD's product line is $100 whereas the Average price of Intel's is $200.

    But if you look at the entire product line you would understand why. AMD's starts with the K6-2 350 at $24.00 in lots of 1000 whereas Intel's starts at the Celeron 333 at $75 in lots of 1000.

    Both companies provide comparable products when it comes to price, speed and reliability. It is cheaper for me to buy a 1 Ghz Pentium III, motherboard and case ($1899.00) than it is to buy a 1 Ghz Athlon, motherboard and case ($2299.00). Actually priced at Fry's last week. Also compare this to a 700 Mhz P-III with motherboard and case at $329.00. Same store, Same Case.

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    Well now you guys are getting me to want to build a system.

    Hmm...right now my current configuration that I have spec'd at Dell is:

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote/font><HR>866MHz P-III
    866MHz P-III
    256MB RDRAM
    45GB HD 7200 RPM
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    CD Burner (8x/4x/32x)
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    Win98 w/WindowsME coupon (but i'll wait until winme comes out and get it with that instead)
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    Dell QuietKey Keyboard
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    3 years service
    floppy drive
    printer/scanner/copymachine combo

    TOTAL PRICE: $4,224<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    A little over budget, but by the time I purchase it I'll have that money.

    I think that I could get a better deal if i build my own.

    I'll put a lot of thought into it.

    Thanks guys!

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    I am assuming that the second 866 Mhz P-III is a misprint if your going to use WindowsME. As far as I know it can't support multiple processors. You'll have to get Windows 2000 for that.

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    I wa sthinking.. Why need such super expensive mega machines if you just want to use Notepad on it?

    1600 mhz? jeeee give me a break...

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    Yep, that was a misprint. I copied and pasted that, sorry.

    freesources: I'll be using a lot more than NotePad. I'll have a bit of gaming on that comp, and I'll probably hook it up to my TV.

    again, 866MHz is correct. Also, I am seriously thinking of using only Windows 2000 and not Millenium.

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    I would check out pricewatch.com for prices man, if you dont know what they do is have a database from retailers across the country and so, you, the consumer, benefits from 1000's of stores competing.

    Anyways, AMD 1ghz processor only $495 128mb SDRAM only $109

    You can build a system better than what you designed at dell for much much cheaper.

    Chris

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    Ok, I think I'll go for it and build my own comp. I talked with my dad earlier today, and he didn't think I could do it. That really makes me want to try

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