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    Hi, I was wondering what you people think about those website templates like that are available at http://imagecafe.com ??? They basically sell you a copy of the design that you customize. I was wondering if this would be a good online business to get involved in, as you can sell the same template over and over???? They would find a template, press purchase, and then use an online site builder to customize it. The entire thing would sell for probably around $69 or something like that. Let me know what you think.

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    What do we think about the actual ImageCafe idea? Sure, it's great for newbies or people who don't want to pay a lot. I think it would work really well if the designs were actually good looking too.

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    ImageCafe has some really nice designs. The only problem with a business like this is that other people are doing it for free and people would realize that their site is going to look like hundreds of others :-( Also, people who buy these designs are either complete beginners or are not good designers. In order to edit these they must know HTML unless you use some sort of Java or CGI for a builder. Anyway, if there were enough people willing to buy than it would be a great oppurtunity!

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    What I find funny, is that in the design screenshots (like this) they show the design with a Mac scrollbar but the titlebar clearly shows it's Windows. Hmm..

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    Hahaha... that is pretty funny. Some cutting and pasting going on there?

    You've got a pretty sharp eye!

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    Actually probably not. They probably are using a custom scrollbar widget within the layers of the page. It could use any graphics that you want.

    Also with WindowBlinds Skinz installed I could make my Windows PC look exactly like a Mac, Java, Nextstep, or any other known system. In fact I could make it look like anything I wanted to.

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    Hi,

    Actually, superdubs, we have plans on selling customizeable templates on DevStorm. I think that would be very successful if we spent enought time on them.

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    I am planning on offering something similar as well. However, I think that this particular service would be better suited for providing a personal web site to people who don't want to spend $200+ for a custom designed, personal web site.

    If you go out onto the web, a lot of the "newbie" sites are only 1 or 2 pages...

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    I think it's a great idea...the thought of visiting a site, browsing through site layouts, and then shelling out, say, 70 or 80 bucks is a fairly original concept that will likely find a longstanding place in the web.



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    Another take, another way to learn web design... Everyone has learned how to create a website differently, whether from first learning to write straight code to WYSIWYG programs to free online websites...

    My first website was built using Homestead, a free drag'n'drop site where I initially used their templates - but I wanted to become more creative, so I then started designing from a blank page. It was those various templates that helped to teach me page layout! What worked and what didn't...

    While using this online web builder I also took the time to learn all that I could about HTML and how web pages worked. If there was a free resource or tutorial, I bookmarked it to use....my HTML 'Visual Quickstart by my side! It is still there!

    I built that free site 2+ years ago and when I felt confident and became familiar enough with HTML, I then tried FrontPage Express (which was already on my PC) and then I then downloaded almost every other trial (HotDog, CoffeeCup...) and free programs (1st Page, SiteAid...) for other web design editors. Learned FTP (I like CuteFTP) for the first time and used another free site NetFirms to practice loading web pages!

    When I tried Dreamweaver2 I was hooked AND when I just updated to Dreamweaver3 I found this to be the best (for now!) WYSIWYG program for me! And with having an understanding of web design from 'behind the scenes' and knowing HTML, I was able to custom edit my pages...and I could understand the basics that advanced designers take for granted.

    The way that I learned to build web pages may not be the 'traditional way' that others learn, but it worked for me! And what I emphatically agree with others is to use trial/free versions of the many programs out there before you decide to buy! Find the best one that is right just for you...

    My point on this topic of Templates is that offering quality web page templates on your site would be a Great Idea because when I was ready to move on to the next step of web building techniques, I would have used available templates as a great visual way to learn...and I think that there are others out there that would use this resource.

    If quality templates were offered on your site, this feature would help many who are at this stage of web design to learn graphic layouts and how a webpage should be built!

    It is very true that some templates can be very easily recognized (frontpage, publisher, etc) that are used on websites but with the number of those just learning how to build a site, this 'new webmaster' market sector seems to have been forgotten in the rush and has great potential to not only expand your own website but your reputation as a quality designer!

    Visiting your site and being provided quality templates for free/$$ would help many that really do want to learn more...

    Then for those that do not want to work on their site themselves, you offer the templates alone AND offer your design services to create their site for them

    There are always some that only want to put a basic template design online, but there are many others that want to create a website of their own and edit the pages themselves - they just need resources to help!

    Featuring 'quality' templates on your website that you have designed, whether for free, a price or for credit would be a great 'visual' way for those to learn how to build a better site and then create a custom look of their own.

    We shouldn't underestimate the number of web design beginners in this market that 'Do Know HTML' in order to edit their sites and would use your templates as another of their learning tools...they would definitely bookmark your site so that they can visit later for the latest in your 'New Templates'

    Think of all the levels of web expertise that would visit your site and stay...


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    Wow......great post WebKat!

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    I stand in awe of the great WebKat...I loved the post! VERY informative and I may very well take you up on your advice.

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    How about everybody that posts regularly in this forum, design a template when they have time and however sets up a web page template site gets to put their design up there with a link back to your own site?

    The webmaster of the templates site would decide which ones are acceptable and which aren't?

    Any one else think this is a good idea?

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    Skills to Pay the Bills Sparkie's Avatar
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    That sounds like a great idea Keith

    BTW WebKat.. pawsome post!! very informative!



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    <attempt to make a stupid cat joke>
    Me-ow loved that post, WebKat!

    And Keith, that sounds like a great idea. We just need to bring it into acion!

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    I have recently registered the domain www.digitalagedesigns.com and think it would be a great place for website templates.

    What you guys think?

    A site I came across recently has something similar to my idea. http://freesitetemplates.com/

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    thats definitely an excellent domain name Keith

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    I'm really surprised that domain wasn't already taken!

    Did you find it on an auction? or were you just plain lucky?

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    Name is a bit long, but still a good one...just go for it man! It can be an eBay-style site...people put layouts up for auction...the winner is given FULL ownership with the right to modify it as their own.

    Definetly has potential...



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    No, is just wasn't taken

    Also got www.webdesignreviews.com

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    Check out freewebtemplates.com Keith, it is better then freesitetemplates

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    Matt, I already checked out freewebtemplates.com and don't think it's anywhere near as good as freesitetemplates.com/

    The designs at freewebtemplates are not sa professional as freesitetemplates

    I forgot to mention http://www.elated.com/toolbox/pagekits/

    Some designs at that site are immense

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    Webdesignreviews.com ?! ..totally envious

    That would make an excellent critique site!


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