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    SitePoint Forums are the Best

    I like these forums because it feels like you are talking to real people. On other forums I've been on it feels like a spam farm, where a bunch of people huddle together speaking different languages, very little makes sense. I won't name names though :P

    That's why I've stuck around SitePoint a few years. And their books are really good, my personal favorite is Simply SQL. I would like them to make more books like this in great detail. I'm interested in Python, but Ruby is the closest thing they have right now, I'm not sure I could enjoy Ruby (though they appear similar).

    PS: I'm not affliliated with SP besides using the forums like anyone else, so this isn't an advertisement or anything, LOL.

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    sure, sp been around long time. lot of knowledgeable members here for sure.

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    I wonder if they are every going to update their logo, its kind of cool but it feels like it's getting a little rusty (The little arrows). They should add a barely visible gradient on those colors, BAM, good to go LOL.

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    yep sp is one of the better forums I've been to but one thing I have noticed is that spam on the other forums is removed much quicker.

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    I couldn't agree with you more.

    Of course this forum is definitely one of the best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalon
    I have noticed is that spam on the other forums is removed much quicker.
    You can help us out with that.

    Click the little, orange flag below the avatar of a spam post to alert the mods about it.

    There'd still be a small delay, but not as long as if they have to discover it themselves.

    Trying to fill the unforgiving minute
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    I see spammers as nothing more than annoying low life parasites on the www and I've been clicking that little orange flag quite a bit during the last few weeks.

    In fairness to the moderators, from what I've seen at least 90% of the possible spam posts I have flagged have eventually been deleted or their links removed.

    I "spat the dummy" one evening when it was well over 30 minutes between me flagging some posts and them still not deleted, even though I could see there were active moderators currently online.

    I got a message from a mod. soon after explaining that the mods can be busy doing other things etc etc and that is fair enough and I accept that, but as I am flagging spam posts (they tend to come in short bursts) I also check to see which moderators are "on duty" and I can get a feel for what they are doing, along with all other members, by watching who is doing what on the Who's Online listing.

    More often than not, as I am flagging potential spam posts I am seeing the mods surfing from thread to thread either just viewing them or replying to them. When they are actually moderating, their activity comes up as "moderating".

    Now I accept that mods. might have a higher priority of helping others by replying to posts in threads or doing "other things", but the side effect of that, for me at least, is that it takes away a lot of incentive to even flag the posts especially if I am expecting to log off soon because I know the spam posts are unlikely to be removed before I log off.

    The annoying part of these short bursts of spam posts is that they appear as new posts to a thread and when people click the thread they find the latest post is garbage.

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    Kalon, please remember that the mods are mostly volunteer staff.

    We're all here to browse, read and learn just like everyone else so please be mindful of that before you're critical about those evil "other things" that you mentioned in your post.

    Thank you for reporting spam posts. It helps.

    It's not always possible for us to hang on your beck and call, but we do it as efficiently as possible while still allowing playtime for persons who are not paid for the amount of work they do. And trust me, there's a lot.

    I understand the point you're making about the reduced incentive, but please hang in there and keep reporting them when you see them.

    You said so yourself, it mightn't always happen quickly, but we're still among the most thorough that I've ever seen as well.

    Thanks for all your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun(OfTheDead) View Post
    It's not always possible for us to hang on your beck and call, but we do it as efficiently as possible while still allowing playtime for persons who are not paid for the amount of work they do. And trust me, there's a lot.
    ok no problem

    I realise that no-one is at my beck and call, and as I said most if not all the posts I flag, and I assume that everyone else flags as well, will eventually be looked at.

    but unfortunately my tolerance level of spammers and the time it is taking to delete their posts is not as high as it probably should be.

    hey, I've just had an idea.!!

    what about giving my account access rights to delete spam posts on the spot? (I wouldn't want to be a full mod)

    I'll fix 'em up for ya and that will free up some time for the mods.

    That's one job I'll be happy to do free of charge.

    whad'ya reckon ?

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    Sometimes we appear online because we always have one window open with the forum sitting there... but on many occasions we're working so it is not like we're here. Sometimes, as Shaun says, we're simply looking at other threads, learning and answering questions.

    Still, we are aware that we need to improve and we try to do just that everyday.

    Regarding giving your account access rights to delete spam posts on the spot... that will make you and advisor and that comes with other responsibilities too

    Regarding free of charge... hey, we all do it for free!

    We did discussed at one point how to get people involved to report more, or giving more privileges to mentors, but we didn't find a real, feasible solution.

    I wish that more people would report... unfortunately, there are not so many that do it. A shame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JREAM View Post
    I like these forums because it feels like you are talking to real people.
    Off Topic:

    Who said that I was real? Real people don't get to be as good as I am

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    ok, no problem

    but from my personal perspective, it would give me more incentive to flag potential spam if I believed there was say a 90% chance that it will be looked at in say 10 minutes max from the time I flag it.

    I know that's easier said than done and that resourcing is not the problem of the moderators, but probably that of someone higher up the food chain.

    to give you an example, if I now see spams appearing in various threads but I know that within say 30 minutes I will be logging off I probably wouldn't take the time to flag the posts because I feel they will most likely still be there when I log off but will eventually be looked at some time after I log off. but if I felt there was a high probability that the flagged posts would be looked at within 10 minutes then I would definitely flag the posts because I would know they would be gone while I am still logged on and I wouldn't have to put up with them for very long.

    anyway just my and food for thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalon View Post
    ok, no problem

    to give you an example, if I now see spams appearing in various threads but I know that within say 30 minutes I will be logging off I probably wouldn't take the time to flag the posts because I feel they will most likely still be there when I log off but will eventually be looked at some time after I log off. but if I felt there was a high probability that the flagged posts would be looked at within 10 minutes then I would definitely flag the posts because I would know they would be gone while I am still logged on and I wouldn't have to put up with them for very long.
    Sorry to say so, but this doesn't make any sense to me. You don't flag because you think the message is still there after 30 minutes. If you don't flag though you can be sure the message is still there after those 30 minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by donboe View Post
    If you don't flag though you can be sure the message is still there after those 30 minutes
    no that isn't what I said.

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    Flagging something cost you what? 1 second? You are not obliged to write something when you flag. So what you actually say is that, when you know you're going off line within the next 1/2 hour you won't flag, because the span will probably still be there when you logoff. Maybe that is even worse

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    I have to say that Kalon does flag quite a bit... which is very appreciated it by the staff

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    Quote Originally Posted by molona View Post
    I have to say that Kalon does flag quite a bit... which is very appreciated it by the staff
    I'm sure he does Since, that's how I see Kalon, always helpful. But this didn't sound right that's all. It's the same as saying. I would alarm the Police, when witnessing a robbery If I was sure they would react within 10 minutes, but since I know they won't, I can't bother to report it

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    Quote Originally Posted by molona View Post
    We did discussed at one point how to get people involved to report more
    Perhaps you need a new category in the annual readers awards:

    'Spam-buster of the year'

    Or perhaps keep a user high score table of successful spams wiped out per user, that'd get people hunting them down!

    I'm like kalon, I fly into spam rage very easily

    Though we're fortunate here that's it's being kept in check

    Would be an interesting programming challenge to come up some sort of smart filter for forums that detects fluff and spam and alerts moderators automatically

    e.g

    spam factor = links to content ratio X spelling mistakes X keywords from list X previous posts deleted / time registered X amount of posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastCoast View Post
    'Spam-buster of the year'
    i'd win that one in a walk, i report a dozen a day

    and also "Funniest Spam Report of the Year", e.g.

    fluff and a fake sig, oh my
    spam spam thank you ma'am
    fluffity-fluff-fluff
    spam de la spam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalon View Post
    but from my personal perspective, it would give me more incentive to flag potential spam if I believed there was say a 90% chance that it will be looked at in say 10 minutes max from the time I flag it.

    ...

    to give you an example, if I now see spams appearing in various threads but I know that within say 30 minutes I will be logging off I probably wouldn't take the time to flag the posts because I feel they will most likely still be there when I log off but will eventually be looked at some time after I log off.
    Seriously? Then just don't make the "effort" to hit the button.

    I report spam for two reasons,

    1) So others don't have to see it
    2) To discourage others from spamming the board

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    Quote Originally Posted by donboe View Post
    Flagging something cost you what? 1 second? You are not obliged to write something when you flag. So what you actually say is that, when you know you're going off line within the next 1/2 hour you won't flag, because the span will probably still be there when you logoff. Maybe that is even worse
    It seems you're not reading my posts or reading into to them what you want to read because that is not what I said at all.

    I never said I won't flag spam.

    what I said is that I probably won't flag spam if I know I will be logging off in say half an hour or so.

    and that is because imho it is likely they will still be there when I log off. I don't see my not reporting spam in this case as worse because seeing there is very little, if any, spam left behind in the 6 or so forums on this site I regularly stumble around in I know the mods will eventually delete them whether I report them or not. I'm not the only one flagging spam posts.

    I rarely see just 1 or 2 spam posts appear. What I normally see is probably 5-10 in the space of 10 - 30 mins. During that time between opening a thread that has a new post listed which turns out to be spam, reading it and reporting it with a message, albeit I copy and paste the message into subsequent flags after the 1st one, I estimate I waste probably about 5-10 minutes or so which I could use to be doing something much more useful.

    if I'm doing something more important at the same time as I open a thread after a new post is listed that turns out to be spam, I probably would not take the time to flag it if I expect to be logging off before the spam is likely to be deleted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JREAM View Post
    I like these forums because it feels like you are talking to real people.
    gee I hope you're right

    I see is a registered member here.

    next time I see him here I wanna ask him when am I gunna get that pony I always wanted

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    I can't speak for the other Moderators, but I see my share of problem posts.

    Trust me, I have a next to zero tolerance for SPAM and the amount of SPAM that gets reported is only roughly a third of the SPAM that gets posted. There are a couple of members (you know who you are) that spot new SPAM posts as fast as I do and more often than not it seems we both spot them at the same time. But not always. Reporting a potential problem helps ensure that it will come to a Moderators attention.

    As for "it still being there", it is not always that a Report has not been seen. There are many things that need to be considered and the Moderator evaluating the Report may not decide to take the same Action the member doing the Reporting thinks should be taken (i.e. removing the post) because of private information that is available to the Moderator but not the member.

    In any case, Please Do Report SPAM.

    If you feel that something is not being attended to in a reasonable amount of time, it just might be that Staff members are doing other things - we don't come here to only hammer SPAM, there's a lot going on.

    One thing you can do in such cases, and especially if it's a SPAM bot on a spree, is to check and see if I'm logged in eg. the "What's Going On?" near the bottom of http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/ and http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/forumindex.php?

    If I am logged in feel free to send me a PM http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/priv...=newpm&u=83449 telling me about it.

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    Haha you guys are funny. I mean it seems like people have personalities, I guess I have been here a while and maybe that's just the case.

    I actually thought the spam-prevention was really good, I rarely see it at all. Maybe once every 30 logins now.

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    Thanks. I'll take that as a compliment. After all, I'm the only one doing the hard work


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