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    yahoo listing help Google PR?

    Does being listed In Yahoo Help your PR in Google?

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    It won't do any harm. I'm not sure if it'll be a great advantage, but it sure as hell won't hurt. If you're only after a Yahoo listing to increase your Page Rank, I personally think (someone's gonna shoot me down) you'd be better off saving your money, and asking others for links.

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    Originally posted by moonman
    If you're only after a Yahoo listing to increase your Page Rank,
    No, of course not, it's not like being in Yahoo is a bad thing, I was just wondering if it helped your PR. When you view backward links, you often times see the Yahoo directory listing.

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    Well, I just had a quick check on any old Yahoo category, and it didn't have a page rank, neither did Yahoo's homepage, so it doesn't look like it will help.

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    Yes it will help, as will any link really. It works the same as links from Dmoz - the deeper down you go into the directory the lower the page rank and the less it helps. If you can get a good listing in a relatively 'high' category it can help a lot though.

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    I'd just like to point out that my Google toolbar wasn't working, so that's why I got no page rank for Yahoo. So, yes it will help. Just ignore my previous post

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    My Google toolbar has only been working off and on for the past few hours - I supposed they're updating something or other.

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    Glad I'm not the only one. Damn you and your toolbar Google!!

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    Links from yahoo or dmoz or anywhere else aren't given special treatment, but they help just like any other links.

    Being DMOZ will also help because it'll put you in directory.google.com and the thousands of sites that use DMOZ data.
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    but surely a link from Yahoo is given more weight than a link from 'Bill's fish bait site'...

    And I think my main point / question is the DMOZ and Yahoo are the only directories that help your PR. Another words, being in Altavista doesn't help. Being in Lycos won't help. Being in Ask Jeeves won't help. Correct????

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    And I think my main point / question is the DMOZ and Yahoo are the only directories that help your PR.
    I think you are wrong: each directory listing can improve your PR

    Another words, being in Altavista doesn't help. Being in Lycos won't help. Being in Ask Jeeves won't help. Correct????
    Altavista, Lycos, Ask,... are not directories: they r search engines. they cant help your PR because the googlebot cant fill their searchboxes (no spider can do that) and crawl their results.

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    of course there is no way of telling exactly what the google algorithm is, and exactly how it works, but i was under the general impression that links from both dmoz and yahoo carried more weight than inbound links from other sites with similar pageranks. Because these two site are categorised by human editors, based on strict criteria, i got the impression that they would carry more weight. I will readily admit that I may be totally wrong in what I am saying.
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    They aren't given any special treatment.
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    I don't think they're given special treatment. Of course both sites have a naturally high pagerank and having pages with a high rank linking to you can help increase yours more quickly. The challenge, naturally, is getting listed in a category that is not too deep down in the directory as the pagerank decreases as you navigate deeper.

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    I think ODP listing gives a lot of PR because its data are used by several sites, and also by google (in its directory).
    So, no special treatment, but multiplied effect.

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    I noticed Looksmart is using robot.txt ( http://www.looksmart.com/robots.txt ) to avoid being spidered by google & the other s.e.
    so , looksmart listing won't boost your PR

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    A Yahoo listing does boost your pr,
    not as much as a dmoz listing though
    Gol try and get listed as high as possible
    in the directory this will effect the amount
    of pr which will be sent your way.
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    this would be where my site ends up getting indexed:
    Home > Business and Economy > Business to Business > Retail Management > Software > Point of Sale

    http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Ec...Point_of_Sale/

    is that too deep to matter??

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    Originally posted by aspen
    They aren't given any special treatment.
    If this is the case then why did my page rank go from a 5 to a 6 immediately upon being added to the Yahoo directory?

    Aspen, what is your proof that a link in from Yahoo! is treated the same as any other link?

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    Google partners on the Web include Yahoo! and Netscape. As part of our agreements with these sites we include the sites in their directories (Yahoo! and DMOZ) in the Google index. If you are having difficulty getting listed in the Google index, you may want to consider submitting your site to either or both of these directories. You can submit to Yahoo! by visiting http://docs.yahoo.com/info/suggest/. You can submit your site to Netscape's Open Directory Project (DMOZ) by visiting www.dmoz.org. Once your site is included in either of these directories you can expect to see it appear in the Google index in four to eight weeks.
    If asked does an inbound link from yahoo boost your PR more than any other inbound link with an equivalent PR I would say NO.
    If asked whether an inbound link from dmoz or Yahoo carried more weight in gaining you a higher rank in search engine results than other inbound links with equivalent PR's, my personal experience would be to say YES they do carry more weight. Keeping in mind that PR is not the sole determining factor that determines your search engine position. However that is just my personal opinion based on my experience. I have no way of saying for sure if that is true.
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    Originally posted by Japhi


    If this is the case then why did my page rank go from a 5 to a 6 immediately upon being added to the Yahoo directory?

    Aspen, what is your proof that a link in from Yahoo! is treated the same as any other link?
    You can read it on Google somewhere, or some interview with a person from Google - I forget hwere exactly. Your could also have jumped from a 5 or 6 from a link from anywhere, also I'm sure that in the span of one month the link from Yahoo is the only additional link you, or any of the pages linking to you, or any of the pages linking them, got. See even if you don't get any new links or lose any links your PR can still easily change because the value of the pages linking to your may change, and so on, and so on, back through millions of websites.

    But since I know you like to argue I'm just going to say go ahead and believe that Yahoo give a special bonus, I could really care less about trying to give you advice.
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    Serial Publisher silver trophy aspen's Avatar
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    Originally posted by hostjet

    If asked does an inbound link from yahoo boost your PR more than any other inbound link with an equivalent PR I would say NO.
    If asked whether an inbound link from dmoz or Yahoo carried more weight in gaining you a higher rank in search engine results than other inbound links with equivalent PR's, my personal experience would be to say YES they do carry more weight. Keeping in mind that PR is not the sole determining factor that determines your search engine position. However that is just my personal opinion based on my experience. I have no way of saying for sure if that is true.
    All Google does is spider Yahoo and DMOZ monthly (and of course with DMOZ they use their directory) So being listed there will get you listed in Google. It will not give you a bonus in any way shape or form, other than the same bonus you'd get from an equivalent link anywhere.
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    I hear what Aspen's saying and think he is probably right. A inbound link from Yahoo does not get any special treatment like a +1, however, It is still a quality inbound link and those are always helpful

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    Gol, you cat is deep, but
    if you site fits in there you are
    better of submitting to that cat
    rather than risk not getting listed at
    all. Check out
    http://www.akamarketing.com/yahoo-submitting-tips.html
    for advice when submitting to yahoo.

    Of course google gives more pr to sites
    that list in yahoo. Yahoo is a human editored
    cat so all the sites are least half decent.
    And google has built itself on its excellent
    quality of results.
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    Originally posted by aspen


    I could really care less about trying to give you advice.
    I never asked for advice. I asked for the same proof that you demand of anyone who posts on this forum. After all, we can't be spreading untrue information can we?

    Without making any changes on my page or aquiring any incoming links that I know of my pagerank went from 5 to 6.

    Is it that hard to believe that somewhere in the Google alogorithm certain preferential weighting is given to one of Googles most important partners?


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