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    Quote Originally Posted by molona View Post
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    http://www.pornographics.es/

    The name is quite suggesting... but has nothing to do with porn!! This is a design studio, right now they did the TV spots for Skoda.
    No porn you say? So, tell me again, why am I clicking it then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLZ View Post
    No porn you say? So, tell me again, why am I clicking it then?
    Because they are a creative and important design studio

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    I don't think any professional web designer would consider a 100% Flash powered website a good example of anything other than "artistic design", especially with the problems that have been highlighted by Apple's choice to refuse Flash on iPod, iPhone and iPad alike. Though I do appreciate appropriate use of Flash.
    Agreed there, but I think they'll be one of the first to use H.264 when it becomes standard. Then it would be awesome

    I'm looking forward to it to. Beats trying to give users a player specific for their machine or making them choose a player like I do.
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    I agree that Flash can't be example of good coding, but they can be an inspiration to good design practices. That's why I included one in my list... I think it is good enough to worth that honor

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    I don't think any professional web designer would consider a 100% Flash powered website a good example of anything other than "artistic design", especially with the problems that have been highlighted by Apple's choice to refuse Flash on iPod, iPhone and iPad alike. Though I do appreciate appropriate use of Flash.
    You would have to be pretty naive to think "performance" is the reason why Apple decided not to allow Flash on their products.

    Ask anyone who does scripts for a living - AS, JS canvas, or otherwise. The only common consensus I've seen among them is (when doing the same tasks on both platforms):

    1) Canvass CPU requirements >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flash CPU requirements
    2) Canvass browser compatibility <<<<<< Flash browser compatibility (iecanvass fix is POOR. Try running processing.js on it if you dare)
    3) Jobs is lying through his teeth.

    HTML5 video is still very rough as well.


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    XLCowBoy, why are you making so many assumptions? What you've said is irrelevant. I never mentioned anything in relation to performance in this thread and my response was ONLY in relation to people who choose to build websites that are entirely constructed using Flash (as opposed to being built with HTML). I really don't give a hoot as to the performance side of things, I care more about accessibility, usability and compatibility, all of which Flash itself poops on in equal measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    I don't think any professional web designer would consider a 100% Flash powered website a good example of anything other than "artistic design", especially with the problems that have been highlighted by Apple's choice to refuse Flash on iPod, iPhone and iPad alike. Though I do appreciate appropriate use of Flash.
    *narf* So of course on that note I offer an all Flash site. *sigh* I would never recommend an all flash site for the exact reasons that Alex talks about.

    However, I find the Flash animation understated and elegant while the design is and artistry are quite simply breath-taking. I love this site. Its from a Toronto designer, and has only four pages. Yet while thematically related, each is a completely original design. It includes full audio, though I think you can better appreciate the gorgeous sound design with the music turned off.

    http://www.ndesign-studio.com/flash/

    I also believe that it could be executed quite appropriately using XHTML, CSS, and Javascript (especially with a little jQuery) and that would provide both accessibility and non-animated fallback positions for older browsers, nor would it require a Flash plugin. It would probably be a much larger pain in the ass to execute, but definitely better practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    I don't think any professional web designer would consider a 100% Flash powered website a good example of anything other than "artistic design", especially with the problems that have been highlighted by Apple's choice to refuse Flash on iPod, iPhone and iPad alike. Though I do appreciate appropriate use of Flash.
    Actionscript 2 and Actionscript 3....

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    And neither of those changes a thing

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    I liked the model agency Next Models website:
    http://www.nextmodels.com/

    Done in flash though. Make sure you get deep enough into the site to see a models portfolio, that way you can appreciate the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    XLCowBoy, why are you making so many assumptions? What you've said is irrelevant. I never mentioned anything in relation to performance in this thread and my response was ONLY in relation to people who choose to build websites that are entirely constructed using Flash (as opposed to being built with HTML). I really don't give a hoot as to the performance side of things, I care more about accessibility, usability and compatibility, all of which Flash itself poops on in equal measure.
    Those aren't the issues you talked about. Apple can't claim usability or accessibility as a reason for not adding Flash because a number of their apps and afaik, all their games, don't have any at all. It's not like the visually impaired have a braille version of the iphone that they can use to play Street Fighter 4 on.

    We're talking about web masterpieces here. If usability, accessibility, and compatibility are your criteria, then Jakob Nielsen's site should be at the top of your list. So going by your criteria, here's your masterpiece: http://www.useit.com/

    Now Apple's beef with Flash has supposedly everything to do with "performance", which we all know is utter rubbish. So using Apple's biased comments as a basis for an argument against Flash is weak.

    The point I'm trying to make is: Let's not forget how much Flash pushed the web as a whole. The web went from ultra-static tabled pages with animated gif backgrounds to full blown "interactive media" sites. A lot of the early "masterpieces" were created in Flash, simply because Flash was, and most of the time still is, the best choice for a richer user experience.

    A few of the classics:

    Full interactive video site - afaik, this was one of the first, and still one of the best executed ones:
    Vodafone Journey

    A site that gives a little extra if you have blue/red 3D glasses:
    Barcinski and Jeanjean.com/

    Online Promotional Game:
    Coke Zero Online Game

    A graphic classic: basically changed the way video game sites were designed:
    2advanced (remember when this showed up? everyone went nuts)

    A site that was always pushing stuff in subtle ways:
    Leo Burnett (what used to be a pencil that drew along with your mouse gestures is now a 3D scene with reflections rendered in real time)

    Playstaion-quality 3D graphics (basically proved that Flash can be used to build a proper 3D online video game)
    Ecodazoo

    Ecodazoo was built on this Roxik's Sharikura 3D engine

    One of sharikura's recent examples (check out the real-time lighting and textures):
    http://www.verbatim.jp/senshuken/

    Let's not forget the countless other sites that used user-uploaded content such as video, on-screen graphics interacted with people through regular web cams, used sound as a basis for on-the-fly graphics generations, etc. etc.

    The web we have today has taken tons of inspiration from Flash. Without that platform, we may still be building and designing gray boxes with full loading pages instead of the css/ajax-powered media sites we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XLCowBoy View Post
    Those aren't the issues you talked about.
    Sorry but you're wrong. If you would please re-read my comment you would notice that I stated "100&#37; Flash" (quite literally), If you have a Flash website which has NO alternative content, that causes SERIOUS issues. A site comprised partially of Flash with alternative content to fall back on is a much better option. I stated that I was NOT against the use of Flash, just used in moderation (hence why I said appropriate use). Needless to say that while I appreciate Flash, I wanted to highlight that I wouldn't consider any example that used Flash with no fall-back as a masterpiece (more a lack of consideration on behalf of the developer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    Sorry but you're wrong. If you would please re-read my comment you would notice that I stated "100% Flash" (quite literally), If you have a Flash website which has NO alternative content, that causes SERIOUS issues. A site comprised partially of Flash with alternative content to fall back on is a much better option. I stated that I was NOT against the use of Flash, just used in moderation (hence why I said appropriate use). Needless to say that while I appreciate Flash, I wanted to highlight that I wouldn't consider any example that used Flash with no fall-back as a masterpiece (more a lack of consideration on behalf of the developer).
    Alright, fair enough. I'll give you that.

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    Now, let's return to the topic?

    Non-Flash "masterpieces":

    Uniqlo (the site itself is a brand)
    The Times UK (I thought the revamp was excellent)
    Somebody already mentioned Jason Santa Maria's site and ALA, so let's skip those...
    Apple (duh...)
    Visit Philly (a happycog site)
    Weiden + Kennedy (one of my personal faves)
    Information Architects (another personal fave)

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    Minus the advertisements this website is very good on the eyes too: http://www.techi.com/

    I agree that Apple's website is very good too - though their developer center documentation could do with a bit of a redesign

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    <snip>] I love their design work...

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    Celinar, I edited your post because the link you posted had nothing to do with design, but was something else entirely. In future, please do not misrepresent a site to a particular firm as something they are not. That is considered spamming. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    I really don't give a hoot as to the performance side of things, I care more about accessibility, usability and compatibility, all of which Flash itself poops on in equal measure.
    As an aside, I find it interesting that so few are even batting an eye-lid that canvas poops itself even further on these measures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XLCowBoy View Post
    We're talking about web masterpieces here.
    My interpretation is that a masterpiece is visually stunning but also the code is clean, accessible and degrades gracefully.

    I would also call it a masterpiece if the design is so great that can compensate for the lack of quality in the code. It is for that reason that I think that there are beautiful, well-thought Flash sites that can make it to the list.

    These sites should be for inspiration and for learning/refreshing with the best coding techniques.

    Be aware that I talk about quality of code but I don't expect it to fully validate. The reason is that most of these sites are based on CMS and uses plug-ins that may create non-valid code. That's something hard to change.

    Of course, this is my personal view. Ideally, it will have everything: the looks, the code, the accessibily, the usability... all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chroniclemaster1 View Post
    Love the design

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    You guys will love this:

    (The only Flash part is the intro, the rest is SVG)

    http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electr...tric-car/index

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    I've been using quick loading minismalistic page for last three month. What I do when i opened it loads hidden parts in its background which sometimes revealed instantly by clicking on the relevant link.


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