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    Question College, University or Work?

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    I am a student of ICT, networking and web dev at the newcastle college. As im finishing my foundation degree this month, i was wondering what to do next. My options are:

    - One extra year at college, to get the BSc degree in ICT. Technical modules, good structure of the course, and i know the lecturers and the campus well.

    - One extra year at Northumbria University, to get the BSc Applied Computing. Uni with quite a good reputation, bigger and multicultural, but i ll study only JAVA programming, all other modules are supportive (personal development, etc.)

    - Or........... find a job! And start building up my experience in web development...

    What do you think is best?

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    Stay in school and finish the degree. One year is small time in the the big picture and being able to say you have a higher degree could prove VERY valuable later on down the road.

    While in college start building your portfolio, freelance for the community, school groups, build your own blog, etc.

    In the end the degree could be enough to give you an edge on a job app and the year of freelance experience will get you some good cash and a portfolio you can add to your resume.

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    I'm inclined to say degree as well... 1 year is very short and well worth the security for the future, plus the opportunities afforded from companies that require paper for certain roles (this is a common practice for management in larger organizations).

    Of course there's a lot of different ideas here at SPF and if you look through this forum you'll find many people who have done very well without a degree and would suggest you do what you feel best suits your life. And there's something to be said for going where you see yourself rather than having to have a degree.

    But as a hiring manager for a web team, and someone who has had a number of office jobs, I'd suggest getting the education first. After all, you can work on the side as others have suggested while also giving yourself that piece of paper and additional educational time.
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    Considering the current economic climate in the UK jobs are hard to come by at the moment, unless you want to flip burgers. I'd say stop where you are and continue your education

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    Definitely a degree. Sure, degree is just a piece of paper but it'll easily bump up your salary 30%.

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    I can't believe I'm going to say this. Every bone in my body wants to say stay in school and finish your degree. But I have a degree and am out of work. Is there anyway you can get a job and finish the degree at the same time? Reason being, the work experience is going to amount to so much. I know this one guy who has no degree but always has work because of his work experience.

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    No man first complete your study and be an expert than start job.Right now just focus on basic and every facts of the field and become a specialist.As you have so much of time for your job but less time for college.Or you can do both things side by side, study and work somewhere as part time and gain experience,this way you will also be in touch of your subject and learn new things in the college.After all choice is yours.
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    I think after getting your degree, You should find relevant job and get experience.
    And you should do a job along with studies at this stage this 'll helpful in financial position as well count as your professional career experience.
    So, i suggest you that you should also go for job besides your studies. Degree completion would be you priority.

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    I think, do it all are good too, provided not interfere with each other.

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    Honestly, get the best degree you can. Once you've got your degree then far more jobs will open up to you. It sucks, but that's the system I'm afraid.

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    my suggestion is to do job .as you get experience and after experience if you do BSc it will be more beneficial......

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    Quote Originally Posted by jorden.william85 View Post
    my suggestion is to do job .as you get experience and after experience if you do BSc it will be more beneficial......
    I disagree completely.

    To start with, the degree is the door that opens a lot of jobs. If you want to work in a certain area you need that degree to gain any experience.

    Most importantly, the degree will teach you many valuable things that you'll build on in the work place. If you do it the other way around it will be less beneficial more than anything.

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    I also had to choose some time ago, I chose work cause if I need to study something extra, I can do it without college

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    I disagree completely.

    To start with, the degree is the door that opens a lot of jobs. If you want to work in a certain area you need that degree to gain any experience.

    Most importantly, the degree will teach you many valuable things that you'll build on in the work place. If you do it the other way around it will be less beneficial more than anything.
    A Degree is just a paper, I don't agree with most of the comments I think he should start looking for work. Staying in school has become the 'norm' everyone just goes to school, in these economic times there is no guarantee that you will get a Job just like without a Degree there is no guarantee that you won't get a Job. There are many walking out of schools with all these BA's, MBA's, blah blah and they are unable to get a Job except in tens of thousands in debt in desperate need to pay it off, hoping just hoping that the money they paid towards a school will give them 'middle management'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiberianHuskey View Post
    A Degree is just a paper
    One hot summer's day a Fox was strolling through an orchard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorinox View Post
    One hot summer's day a Fox was strolling through an orchard...


    There are rare talents (and I mean rare) that can do away with not having a good education and still making it. But that's like 0,0001% of the population, even that percentage is probably an absurd exaggeration. The rest are well advised to get themselves a solid education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiberianHuskey View Post
    A Degree is just a paper
    A piece of paper that is often used as a mandatory criteria when it comes to hiring.

    As more and more people are chasing less and less jobs HR departments will do everything in their power to restrict the number of "qualified" applicants that they have to vet for a position. Putting a degree in as a mandatory requirement does that quite nicely.

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    But that's like 0,0001% of the population, even that percentage is probably an absurd exaggeration.
    I don't agree with those numbers.

    As more and more people are chasing less and less jobs HR departments will do everything in their power to restrict the number of "qualified" applicants that they have to vet for a position. Putting a degree in as a mandatory requirement does that quite nicely.
    What classifies as 'qualified' ? There are employers out there who don't know what they think is 'qualified' and that coming from experience from many I've talked too, there are many who don't even apply for positions with the degree they have because of the whole 'qualifications' bit they apply for work outside of what they went to school for because they need to 'earn a living' and 'survive' therefore that puts that 'degree' that will so called get you that 'position' right out the window.

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    @SiberianHuskey, that's fine. If you feel education is a waste of time and you're getting the jobs you want, have what employers need (talent, skill, work ethic, etc.) and can do without formal education/training and are happy with it, then you're doing everything right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiberianHuskey View Post
    A Degree is just a paper
    It's a paper that provides the assumption of a foundation of knowledge, where that foundation is the prerequisite for a job. You don't study a degree just for the sheet of paper, you study it because you enjoy the subject and want the required knowledge to work in that field.

    Also, it's card, not paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by SiberianHuskey View Post
    Staying in school has become the 'norm' everyone just goes to school, in these economic times there is no guarantee that you will get a Job just like without a Degree there is no guarantee that you won't get a Job.
    I agree, but I'm afraid that's the system that's in place at the moment. As there are so many people with a degree the degree itself has become the entry-level prerequisite for a decent job and people tend to just get degrees because it will get them a job, rather than get a job where they'll become knowledgeable about a subject.

    You're right, there is no guarantee of a job without a degree, but if you're studying a worthwhile degree and have gained a sufficient amount of knowledge from that degree you'll probably find work. I studied Computer Science at a crappy university and the second I walked out of the door I had at least eight interviews lined up. Out of a graduating class of around 16 I think around one or two don't have work, and those are typically students with delusions of grandeur that applied to Google and Apple and failed to get past the interview.

    Quote Originally Posted by SiberianHuskey View Post
    There are many walking out of schools with all these BA's, MBA's, blah blah and they are unable to get a Job except in tens of thousands in debt in desperate need to pay it off, hoping just hoping that the money they paid towards a school will give them 'middle management'.
    Just like with everything else, there are two sides to every coin. There are lots of people that are struggling to find work, but there are also those who have worked hard, got a decent degree and have landed great jobs doing what they love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiberianHuskey View Post
    What classifies as 'qualified' ? There are employers out there who don't know what they think is 'qualified' and that coming from experience from many I've talked too
    What you feel is "qualified" is quite irrelevant in the real world. The person doing the hiring gets to decide what the definition of qualified means.

    There are many who don't even apply for positions with the degree they have because of the whole 'qualifications' bit they apply for work outside of what they went to school for because they need to 'earn a living' and 'survive' therefore that puts that 'degree' that will so called get you that 'position' right out the window.
    No one is saying that a degree will get you a position right out the window, what I am saying is that not having a degree will make it much more difficult to get a position.

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    What you feel is "qualified" is quite irrelevant in the real world. The person doing the hiring gets to decide what the definition of qualified means.
    The 'Real World' isn't always right and the people responsible for such tasks such as 'hiring' are not always good at it !

    No one is saying that a degree will get you a position right out the window, what I am saying is that not having a degree will make it much more difficult to get a position.
    Maybe, there is no crystal ball with or without as I did already state, it's the status quo !

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiberianHuskey View Post
    The 'Real World' isn't always right and the people responsible for such tasks such as 'hiring' are not always good at it !
    And again whether people or the real world is "right" or not is completely irrelevant. If you want to tilt at windmills and get nowhere that is your choice but I think the OP deserves to hear how the real world works and in the real world people who have a degree will have an easier time finding work than people who do not (and yes there are always going to be outliers and exceptions to the rule).

    If you don't want to play by the rules of the game then don't be surprised when you don't win, whether you agree with those rules or not.

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    If you don't want to play by the rules of the game then don't be surprised when you don't win, whether you agree with those rules or not.
    I wouldn't say they are 'rules' they are 'guidelines' but once again there is no steadfast proof that it will land you a good position the same can be said that if you don't have a degree that it won't land you a Job. There is so much evidence pointing towards how a degree is becoming like 'paper money' that it's just society slumber that accepts it as the norm but that is changing.


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