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    "system styles" Css overiding my own styles,

    Hi,

    I've come across a problem I've never had before..

    I have styled up my site and happy with the look, but when I put it live, the form elements had new styles applied and it appeared to overide the styles I had in my styles.css

    on further inspection in firebug it showed me that there was styles being applied from a forms.css and under neath that it had <system>

    i hovered over the forms.css and it showed the resource as being gre/res/forms.css?

    I've never heard of this.. can someone shed some light on this?

    thank you

    O

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    Can you post a link? I'd like to see this myself...

    Unless Firebug is showing you default browser styles... does your form look like
    AquaTeenMangaSuperCandyPuffFriendsLAWLZ
    in Safari?

    If so, then you're just hitting the typical "styling forms is a b****" thing we all hit. You may want to check this page out: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archiv...css_revisited/

    Browsers have a lot more control over forms than over other things. They are harder to style. For extensive styling, you'll end up using a lot of images, or images and JS... both of which may be more bloat than its worth.

    That said, you can get pretty nice stuff with CSS, it's just that there are limits.

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    here's a screen shot of firebug, in the screen shot I've clicked on the inspect element and hovered over the submit button

    http://www.swaray.co.uk/systemstyles.png

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    Hm, okay... I checked one of my own pages in Firefox with Firebug and I do not get any System anything... And the -moz stuff, I generally don't get but I do see it often in Magento shopping cart layouts...
    so I'm wondering if it's something to do with WordPress? There's always like a bazillion CSS files with those things.

    BTW tabindex is something to be VERY careful with, since it steals all control from a keyboarder... if your form is written in the logical order, then tab will work by itself.

    Can you take your form and form styles out and put them in some separate, plain HTML file? That can determine that the <system> stuff may be coming from WP or something... and not your browser.

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    It might be... the path looks strange though... it must be getting it from wordpress.. will copy the form html over and post it when I get five minutes..

    thats for your help


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    Hi,

    The default look of form elements is defined by forms.css in the "res" folder of your firefox installation. There are a few other css files there and the main one is called html.css which sets the default for most other elements.

    This is forms.css:
    Code:
    /* ***** BEGIN LICENSE BLOCK *****
     * Version: MPL 1.1/GPL 2.0/LGPL 2.1
     *
     * The contents of this file are subject to the Mozilla Public License Version
     * 1.1 (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
     * the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at
     * http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/
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     * Software distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" basis,
     * WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, either express or implied. See the License
     * for the specific language governing rights and limitations under the
     * License.
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     * The Original Code is mozilla.org code.
     *
     * The Initial Developer of the Original Code is
     * Netscape Communications Corporation.
     * Portions created by the Initial Developer are Copyright (C) 1998
     * the Initial Developer. All Rights Reserved.
     *
     * Contributor(s):
     *
     * Alternatively, the contents of this file may be used under the terms of
     * either of the GNU General Public License Version 2 or later (the "GPL"),
     * or the GNU Lesser General Public License Version 2.1 or later (the "LGPL"),
     * in which case the provisions of the GPL or the LGPL are applicable instead
     * of those above. If you wish to allow use of your version of this file only
     * under the terms of either the GPL or the LGPL, and not to allow others to
     * use your version of this file under the terms of the MPL, indicate your
     * decision by deleting the provisions above and replace them with the notice
     * and other provisions required by the GPL or the LGPL. If you do not delete
     * the provisions above, a recipient may use your version of this file under
     * the terms of any one of the MPL, the GPL or the LGPL.
     *
     * ***** END LICENSE BLOCK ***** */
    
    /** 
      Styles for old GFX form widgets
     **/ 
     
    
    @namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml); /* set default namespace to HTML */
    @namespace xul url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul);
    
    *|*::-moz-fieldset-content {
      display: block;
      height: 100&#37;;   /* Need this so percentage heights of kids work right */
    }
    
    /* miscellaneous form elements */
    
    legend {
      padding-left: 2px;
      padding-right: 2px;
      border: none;
      position: static ! important;
      float: none ! important;
      width: -moz-fit-content ! important;
      min-width: 0 ! important;
      max-width: none ! important;
      height: auto ! important;
      min-height: 0 ! important;
      max-height: none ! important;
      white-space: nowrap;
    }
    
    fieldset {
      display: block;
      margin-left: 2px;
      margin-right: 2px;
      padding: 0.35em 0.625em 0.75em;
      border: 2px groove ThreeDFace;
    }
    
    label {
      cursor: default;
    }
    
    /* default inputs, text inputs, and selects */
    
    /* Note: Values in nsNativeTheme IsWidgetStyled function 
       need to match textfield background/border values here */
    
    input {
      -moz-appearance: textfield;
      /* The sum of border-top, border-bottom, padding-top, padding-bottom
         must be the same here, for buttons, and for <select> (including its
         internal padding magic) */
      padding: 1px 0 1px 0;
      border: 2px inset ThreeDFace;
      background-color: -moz-Field;
      color: -moz-FieldText;
      font: -moz-field;
      text-rendering: optimizeLegibility;
      line-height: normal !important;
      text-align: start;
      text-transform: none;
      word-spacing: normal;
      letter-spacing: normal;
      cursor: text;
      -moz-binding: url("chrome://global/content/platformHTMLBindings.xml#inputFields");
      text-indent: 0;
      -moz-user-select: text;
      text-shadow: none;
    }
    
    input > .anonymous-div {
      white-space: pre;
      word-wrap: normal !important;
    }
    
    textarea {
      margin: 1px 0 1px 0;
      border: 2px inset ThreeDFace;
      background-color: -moz-Field;
      color: -moz-FieldText;
      font: medium -moz-fixed;
      text-rendering: optimizeLegibility;
      text-align: start;
      text-transform: none;
      word-spacing: normal;
      letter-spacing: normal;
      vertical-align: text-bottom;
      cursor: text;
      -moz-binding: url("chrome://global/content/platformHTMLBindings.xml#textAreas");
      -moz-appearance: textfield-multiline;
      text-indent: 0;
      -moz-user-select: text;
      text-shadow: none;
      word-wrap: break-word;
    }
    
    textarea > scrollbar {
      cursor: default;
    }
    
    textarea > .anonymous-div,
    input > .anonymous-div {
      overflow: auto;
      border: 0px !important;
      /* The 1px horizontal padding is for parity with Win/IE */
      padding: 0px 1px;
      margin: 0px;
      /* XXXldb I'm not sure if we really want the 'text-decoration: inherit',
         but it's needed to make 'text-decoration' "work" on text inputs. */
      text-decoration: inherit;
      ime-mode: inherit;
    }
    
    input:-moz-read-write,
    textarea:-moz-read-write {
      -moz-user-modify: read-write !important;
    }
    
    select {
      margin: 0;
      border-color: ThreeDFace;
      background-color: -moz-Field;
      color: -moz-FieldText;
      font: -moz-list;
      line-height: normal !important;
      white-space: nowrap !important;
      word-wrap: normal !important;
      text-align: start; 
      cursor: default;
      -moz-box-sizing: border-box;
      -moz-user-select: none;
      -moz-appearance: menulist;
      border-width: 2px;
      border-style: inset;
      text-indent: 0;
      overflow: -moz-hidden-unscrollable;
      text-shadow: none;
    }
    
    /* Need the "select[size][multiple]" selector to override the settings on
       'select[size="1"]', eg if one has <select size="1" multiple> */
       
    select[size],
    select[multiple],
    select[size][multiple] {
      /* Different alignment and padding for listbox vs combobox */
      vertical-align: text-bottom;
      padding: 1px 0 1px 0;
      -moz-appearance: listbox;
    }
    
    select[size],
    select[size="1"] {
      /* Except this is not a listbox */
      vertical-align: baseline;
      padding: 0;
      -moz-appearance: menulist;
    }
    
    select > input[type="button"] {
      width: 12px;
      height: 12px;
      white-space: nowrap;
      position: static !important;
      background-image: url("arrow.gif") !important;
      background-repeat: no-repeat !important;
      background-position: center !important;
      -moz-appearance: menulist-button;
    
      /* Make sure to size correctly if the combobox has a non-auto height. */
      height: 100% ! important;
      -moz-box-sizing: border-box ! important;
    
      /*
        Make sure to align properly with the display frame.  Note that we
        want the baseline of the combobox to match the baseline of the
        display frame, so the dropmarker is what gets the vertical-align.
      */
      vertical-align: top !important;
    }
    
    select > input[type="button"]:active {
      background-image: url("arrowd.gif") !important;
    }
    
    select:empty {
      width: 2.5em;
    }
    
    *|*::-moz-display-comboboxcontrol-frame {
      overflow: -moz-hidden-unscrollable;
      /* This top/bottom padding plus the combobox top/bottom border need to
         add up to the top/bottom borderpadding of text inputs and buttons */ 
      padding-top: 1px;
      padding-bottom: 1px;
      -moz-padding-start: 4px;
      -moz-padding-end: 0;
      background-color: inherit;
      color: inherit;
      white-space: nowrap;
      text-align: inherit;
      -moz-user-select: none;
      /* Make sure to size correctly if the combobox has a non-auto height. */
      height: 100% ! important;
      -moz-box-sizing: border-box ! important;
    }
    
    select::-moz-scrolled-content {
      display: block !important;
    }
    
    option {
      display: block;
      float: none !important;
      position: static !important;
      min-height: 1em;
      line-height: normal !important;
      -moz-user-select: none;
      text-indent: 0;
      white-space: nowrap !important;
      word-wrap: normal !important;
    }
    
    select > option {
      padding-top : 0;
      padding-bottom: 0;
      -moz-padding-start: 3px;
      -moz-padding-end: 5px;
    }
    
    option:checked {
      background-color: -moz-html-cellhighlight !important;
      color: -moz-html-cellhighlighttext !important;
    }
    
    select:focus > option:checked,
    select:focus > optgroup > option:checked {
      background-color: Highlight ! important;
      color: HighlightText ! important;
    }
    
    optgroup {
      display: block;
      float: none !important;
      position: static !important;
      font: -moz-list;
      line-height: normal !important;
      font-style: italic;
      font-weight: bold;
      font-size: inherit;
      -moz-user-select: none;
      text-indent: 0;
      white-space: nowrap !important;
      word-wrap: normal !important;
    }
    
    optgroup > option {
      -moz-padding-start: 20px;
      font-style: normal;
      font-weight: normal;
    }
    
    optgroup:before {
      display: block;
      content: attr(label);
    }
    
    *|*::-moz-dropdown-list {
      z-index: 2147483647;
      background-color: inherit;
      -moz-user-select: none;
      position: static !important;
      float: none !important;
    
      /*
       * We can't change the padding here, because that would affect our
       * intrinsic width, since we scroll.  But at the same time, we want
       * to make sure that our left border+padding matches the left
       * border+padding of a combobox so that our scrollbar will line up
       * with the dropmarker.  So set our left border to 2px.
       */
      border: 1px outset black !important;
      border-left-width: 2px ! important;
    } 
    
    input[disabled],
    textarea[disabled],
    option[disabled],
    optgroup[disabled],
    select[disabled] {
      -moz-user-input: disabled;
      -moz-user-focus: ignore;
      color: GrayText;
      background-color: ThreeDFace;
      cursor: inherit;
    }
    
    option[disabled],
    optgroup[disabled] {
      background-color: transparent;
    }
    
    /* hidden inputs */
    input[type="hidden"] {
      -moz-appearance: none;
      display: none;
      padding: 0;
      border: 0;
      cursor: auto;
      -moz-user-focus: ignore;
      -moz-binding: none;
    }
    
    /* image buttons */
    input[type="image"] {
      -moz-appearance: none;
      padding: 0;
      border: none;
      background-color: transparent;
      font-family: sans-serif;
      font-size: small;
      cursor: pointer;
      -moz-binding: none;
    }
    
    input[type="image"][disabled] {
      cursor: inherit;
    }
    
    input[type="image"]:focus {
      /* Don't specify the outline-color, we should always use initial value. */
      outline: 1px dotted;
    }
    
    /* file selector */
    input[type="file"] {
      -moz-appearance: none;
      white-space: nowrap;
      cursor: default;
      -moz-binding: none;
    
      padding: 0 !important;
      border-style: none !important;
    }
    
    input[type="file"] > input[type="text"] {
      border-color: inherit;
      background-color: inherit;
      color: inherit;
      font-size: inherit;
      letter-spacing: inherit;
    }
    
    /* button part of file selector */
    input[type="file"] > input[type="button"] {
      height: inherit;
      font-size: inherit;
      letter-spacing: inherit;
    }
    
    /* radio buttons */
    input[type="radio"] {
      -moz-appearance: radio;
      margin: 3px 3px 0px 5px;
      -moz-border-radius: 100% !important;
    }
    
    /* check boxes */
    input[type="checkbox"] {
      -moz-appearance: checkbox;
      margin: 3px 3px 3px 4px;
      -moz-border-radius: 0 !important;
    }
    
    /* common features of radio buttons and check boxes */
    
    /* NOTE: The width, height, border-width, and padding here must all
       add up the way nsFormControlFrame::GetIntrinsic(Width|Height)
       expects them to, or they will not come out with total width equal
       to total height on sites that set their 'width' or 'height' to 'auto'.
       (Should we maybe set !important on width and height, then?)  */
    input[type="radio"],
    input[type="checkbox"] {
      -moz-box-sizing: border-box;
      width: 13px;
      height: 13px;
      cursor: default;
      padding: 0 !important;
      -moz-binding: none;
      /* same colors as |input| rule, but |!important| this time. */
      background-color: -moz-Field ! important;
      color: -moz-FieldText ! important;
      border: 2px inset ThreeDFace ! important;
    }
    
    input[type="radio"][disabled],
    input[type="radio"][disabled]:active,
    input[type="radio"][disabled]:hover,
    input[type="radio"][disabled]:hover:active,
    input[type="checkbox"][disabled],
    input[type="checkbox"][disabled]:active,
    input[type="checkbox"][disabled]:hover,
    input[type="checkbox"][disabled]:hover:active {
      padding: 1px;
      border: 1px inset ThreeDShadow ! important;
      /* same as above, but !important */
      color: GrayText ! important;
      background-color: ThreeDFace ! important;
      cursor: inherit; 
    }
    
    input[type="checkbox"]:focus,
    input[type="radio"]:focus {
      border-style: groove !important;
    }
    
    input[type="checkbox"]:hover:active,
    input[type="radio"]:hover:active {
      background-color: ThreeDFace ! important;
      border-style: inset !important;
    }
    
    /* buttons */
    
    /* Note: Values in nsNativeTheme IsWidgetStyled function 
       need to match button background/border values here */
    
    button, 
    input[type="reset"],
    input[type="button"],
    input[type="submit"] { 
      -moz-appearance: button;
      /* The sum of border-top, border-bottom, padding-top, padding-bottom
         must be the same here, for text inputs, and for <select>.  For
         buttons, make sure to include the -moz-focus-inner border/padding. */
      padding: 0px 6px 0px 6px;
      border: 2px outset ButtonFace;
      background-color: ButtonFace;
      color: ButtonText; 
      font: -moz-button;
      line-height: normal !important;
      white-space: pre;
      cursor: default;
      -moz-box-sizing: border-box;
      -moz-user-select: none;
      -moz-binding: none;
      text-align: center;
      text-shadow: none;
    }
    
    button {
      /* Buttons should lay out like "normal" html, mostly */
      white-space: inherit;
      text-indent: 0;
    }
    
    *|*::-moz-button-content {
      display: block;
    }
    
    button:hover,
    input[type="reset"]:hover,
    input[type="button"]:hover,
    input[type="submit"]:hover {
      background-color: -moz-buttonhoverface;
      color: -moz-buttonhovertext;
    }
    
    button:active:hover,
    input[type="reset"]:active:hover,
    input[type="button"]:active:hover,
    input[type="submit"]:active:hover {
      padding: 0px 5px 0px 7px;
      border-style: inset;
      background-color: ButtonFace;
      color: ButtonText;
    }
    
    button::-moz-focus-inner,
    input[type="reset"]::-moz-focus-inner,
    input[type="button"]::-moz-focus-inner,
    input[type="submit"]::-moz-focus-inner,
    input[type="file"] > input[type="button"]::-moz-focus-inner {
      padding: 0px 2px 0px 2px;
      border: 1px dotted transparent;
    }
    
    button:focus::-moz-focus-inner,
    input[type="reset"]:focus::-moz-focus-inner,
    input[type="button"]:focus::-moz-focus-inner,
    input[type="submit"]:focus::-moz-focus-inner,
    input[type="file"] > input[type="button"]:focus::-moz-focus-inner {
      border-color: ButtonText;
    }
    
    button[disabled]:active, button[disabled],
    input[type="reset"][disabled]:active,
    input[type="reset"][disabled],
    input[type="button"][disabled]:active,
    input[type="button"][disabled],
    select[disabled] > input[type="button"],
    select[disabled] > input[type="button"]:active,
    input[type="submit"][disabled]:active,
    input[type="submit"][disabled] {
      /* The sum of border-top, border-bottom, padding-top, padding-bottom
         must be the same here and for text inputs */
      padding: 0px 6px 0px 6px;
      border: 2px outset ButtonFace;
      color: GrayText;
      cursor: inherit; 
    }
    
     /*
      * Make form controls inherit 'unicode-bidi' transparently as required by
      *  their various anonymous descendants and pseudo-elements:
      *
      * <textarea> and <input type="text">:
      *  inherit into the XULScroll frame with class 'anonymous-div' which is a
      *  child of the text control.
      *
      * Buttons (either <button>, <input type="submit">, <input type="button">
      *          or <input type="reset">)
      *  inherit into the ':-moz-button-content' pseudo-element.
      *
      * <select>:
      *  inherit into the ':-moz-display-comboboxcontrol-frame' pseudo-element and
      *  the <optgroup>'s ':before' pseudo-element, which is where the label of
      *  the <optgroup> gets displayed. The <option>s don't use anonymous boxes,
      *  so they need no special rules.
      */
    textarea > .anonymous-div,
    input > .anonymous-div,
    *|*::-moz-button-content,
    *|*::-moz-display-comboboxcontrol-frame,
    optgroup:before {
      unicode-bidi: inherit;
    }
    
     /*
      * Force the text control child of file input controls to have left-to-right
      * directionality. Otherwise filenames containing right-to-left characters
      * will be reordered with chaotic results.
      */
    input[type="file"] > input[type="text"] {
      direction: ltr !important;
      text-align: inherit;
    }
    
    @media print {
      input, textarea, select, button {
        -moz-user-input: none !important;
      }
    
      input[type="file"] { height: 2em; }
    }
    In reality you don't really need to know anything about it as it uses proprietary styles to style elements in most cases. It will be called before any of the author stylesheets and so your code will over-ride the default settings where you are allowed to.

    Remember that not all form elements can be styled fully and some not at all.

    All browsers have default system styles applied otherwise you would see a jumbled mess of code in your page including html from the head elements.

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    Is is possible the OP has a Firebug setting that shows these then? Cause I don't get that stylesheet at all, ever, in my Firefox. Nor could I find the <system> thing in my FireBug (granted I don't use Firebug that often so it may just be ignorance on my part why I don't see those).

    but when I put it live, the form elements had new styles applied and it appeared to overide the styles I had in my styles.css
    Something's going on if his styles aren't overriding something from Firefox. Though without a link to some live version its hard to tell.

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    It is weird that the system styles are showing, I use firebug daily to debug on these forums and I have never come across that.

    The installation might be corrupt or your firefox or something, but showing hte system defaults shouldn't show in firefox unless it is called (in that pane)

    I went to your site and the system settings aren't showing for me so it's just on your end
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    Firebug often does strange things for me and I often see proprietary styles listed but i've never narrowed down what the cause was. There may be a conflict with another add-on.

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    The client sees the same styles being applied her end though...

    The comment submit button on the comment page is wide and white with a border, when the styles I created in my css gives it the same styling as the search button in the sidebar... Also the form labels are not displaying as blocks with the correct width. Instead they are being squeezed into a narrow space..

    I have looked at the web page through my mac at home using firebox and firebug but I still get the system styles applied.. So it can't be something to do with my installation of firefox on this machine.

    hmmmmm...

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    Then try pulling that stuff out of the WP installation to see if the problem is originating there... I'm sooooo evil suspicious of that WP!

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    I've just gone back into my css and manually re done the styling for the comments form.. it displays now.. I think something must of overided my styles when I uploaded my WP install from local to the server..

    funny how it only effected the form elements...

    Can you take a look at the submit buttons your side and let me know if they display o.k..

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    I dunno how they are supposed to display but on Contact they are white letters on orange backgrounds and not full-width of form (looks normal to me).

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    I've just gone back into my css and manually re done the styling for the comments form.. it displays now..
    I wonder if there was a cache issue looking at older css files perhaps. Seems very strange.

    The page looks much as it did before for me


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