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    University management system - worth a try?

    Hi all, I know thiw may be incorrect forum, but I didn't find the correct one. The system will be in PHP, JS and Java, but mainly in PHP, so I decided to post it here.
    So, here is an idea: Develop a fully-featured university management system. Here are more details about it: http://kenai.com/projects/unimanage/...geArchitecture

    The final aim is to produce something like Moodle, but much better, more comprehensive and integral. This will be open-source. After it is done, I want to promote it to get as many users as possible and finally get established revenue in the form of support subscriptions/installations/on-demand development for this system.

    Any thoughts if that's achievable? My auditorium is worldwide, I'm not limited to any country and system will be easily iternationalized.

    Are we likely to find customers/users?
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    It's quite a specialised area, but there is always room for something new!

    Idea: instead of limiting it to "universities" make it a framework system that lets the developer construct the site in any way they wanted. This would also broaden your user base - for instance your application could then be developed for something like corporate training in businesses.

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    Nice idea, thanks
    Yes, using it for the corporate training website was in plans too.
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    Any ideas where/how to find the end users - colleges, universities and similar institutions?
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    Idea: instead of limiting it to "universities" make it a framework system that lets the developer construct the site in any way they wanted. This would also broaden your user base - for instance your application could then be developed for something like corporate training in businesses.
    That is not enough of a selling pitch for a serious developer.

    How then, does this system distinguish itself from the likes of other CMS "frameworks":

    1. Joomla
    2. ezComponents
    3. Drupal

    And so on and so forth. Each is modular "enough" in nature to meet 99% of requirements, if your a real hack at it and understand the system and it's approach througoughly.

    Learning these systems and accepting the various hacks is the hard part. How would a new framework/platform better itself over the likes of these existing, tested and community based frameworks?

    Not to sound negative, but seriously, there are so many already, unless you have very specific advantages which you can hilight or document and make cler why yours is better, you are starting an uphill battle before writing a single line of code.

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    Well, I'm not going to compete with frameworks. I'm going to compete with LMS's. As far as I understood the bluedreamer's idea, he proposes not to limit to universities, but to make it a kind of framework for education, not generic php framework!
    And I think there is a potential in this sphere...

    P.S. As for your examples, all that are CMS's. Frameworks are ZendFramework, CI, Kohana, Cake, Yii
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    With effective marketing any idea (whether it done already) can be a success. If your planning on being unique and having that sell your system, I dunno.

    Joomla, etc are CMS, but they are also application platforms. You could build exactly what you describe as a collection of components, modules and plugins.

    You might want to look into existing components for Joomla and see if you cant wire something togather.

    Itès also possible I do not clearly understand your intent, in which case ignore me

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    My intent - to build university/colledge management sytem, that incorporates users managemnent, learning process automation and managementm inventory etc and make it successful, enable it be used worldwide.
    And after that *possibly* earn money from support.

    Yes, Joomla has plenty of modules, I worked with it and I didn't like an architecture. So I usually work with Yii now
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJedi View Post
    As far as I understood the bluedreamer's idea, he proposes not to limit to universities, but to make it a kind of framework for education, not generic php framework!
    And I think there is a potential in this sphere...
    Spot on!

    I would brand it as something like an "educational framework" that you can adapt for any sort of environment, whethere that's universities, junior schools, a homework system for people in rural communities, business/staff training, fun learning for kids.

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    All that things have one in common - LMS modules and user management modules. The rest (staff management, inventory, timetable generation is specific for universities or other offline studying institutions).

    But the idea is great, we'll definitely take this approach

    Yet the question remains - where and how to find market and how likely we're to become a widely used system I know, it mainly depends on the system itself. Yet want to see any thoughts on this anyway
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    well i dont understand what actual motives are behine your venture...

    but i also have around 4-5 yrs experience of developing school and college management system....
    though people say many things i still see a chunk of market if somebody can do something specific to school(after all joomla may not provide me comprehensive may to process grades,results and so on...)

    so i could see the good market if one make things generic there...

    i donot understand ur motive...but i am personally interested in these kind of project ...infact i am looking for a good university to make a system and expand my current system...(though i can do any system or many system...so no an advertisement...)

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    System consists of:
    1) Carefully designed architecture
    2) Web desktop solution
    3) RBAC Authorization module + user management
    4) LMS Module
    5) A number of other modules
    I'm going to specialize my development in the intranet websites or complex backend solutions, that are not designed to be indexed by search engines, closed areas.
    Parts 1-3 fit any project of this type.
    Part 4 fits any LMS-related project
    And the rest of modules... yes, they are task-specific. When I get there, I'll see if university really need that and if there is a market. For now I'm developing the basis for the future projects.

    And experiece in team and development management is a big plus for me.
    And, at length, I want to have something I'm proud of
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    r u trying to come up with some commercial product or just trying to experiment and get some educational institution management system(as i call it) as a test project?

    Those features seems much ground level for me...means u seem to be in very initial stage of development.....(more technical or pratical entities would have made things more clear...)
    any way best of luck


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