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    Is there a way to launch a macintosh virtual machine window inside of a Microsoft OS

    Is there a way to launch a macintosh virtual machine window inside of a Microsoft Operating System?

    I once worked as a contract programmer at Star Net (http://www.starnet.com/), a company that provided the ability to have a window on your Microsoft WIndow's desktop where you could have UNIX session going.

    There are at least three companies that do this sort of thing, now that I think about it.

    Recently I have come across a problem where I could only run a program on a 32 bit operating system. I found out that the solution was to run a utility by Microsoft called Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 that is a window on my Vista Computer where I can install Windows XP inside and run it as a vitrtual machine.

    So, naturally, I wonder if there is such a thing for someone who wants to run a Macintosh OS on top of or inside his Vista computer. Is there?

    Of course the benefit of something like this would be huge. First of all, web masters could actually test out how their web sites look on a Macintosh without having to have a seperate computer to try it out on.

    If something like this does not exist, someone should make one. I can remember years ago when I would was so proud of how clever I thought I was making a web site that used DHTML to produce these drop-down menus and lists. I had even gone through the pain of making sure that they worked on all known browsers. Ah but then a friend emailed me from Japan where he insisted Apple Macs wer more popular than PC's and he told me that my mighty web site looked like a mess. I could not believe him until he emailed me some screen shots.

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    It isn't allowed. The Apple licensing prohibits the use of their OS on non-Apple machines, as far as I'm aware.
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    Not legally since Apple only lets you run OS X on their machines.

    You can however buy a Mac and run Windows and Linux in virtual machines, so it's possible to have one computer running every OS you need for browser testing. That's how I worked until my macbook got stolen :/

    Also, every browser on the Mac also runs on Windows at this point (Safari 3.0+, Firefox, Opera) and the codebase for each is the same across platforms so there shouldn't be any surprises unless you completely omit a browser from your test process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgarcia View Post
    That's how I worked until my macbook got stolen :/
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    Ouch, was this a recent event?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPartch View Post
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    Ouch, was this a recent event?
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    Happened back in April but I still haven't replaced it. Kid expenses > laptop for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgarcia View Post
    You can however buy a Mac and run Windows and Linux in virtual machines, so it's possible to have one computer running every OS you need for browser testing.
    And if Macbook's weren't so expensive (spec for spec) I might have moved to mac for that very reason, it's the only OS which can truely test across all systems legally and therefore arguably run any piece of software, Apple allowing Windows and Linux emulation was one of the smartest move they ever made.

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    It is true that it is expensive, but the good thing about Apple is that those computers last for years and years... they don't get outdated that quick because much of the hardware will be installed as a standard in future PCs. So I would say that it is a good inversion... if you have the money right then and there

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    Quote Originally Posted by molona View Post
    It is true that it is expensive, but the good thing about Apple is that those computers last for years and years...
    My current Windows comp was purchased in 2005. I have another I bought in 2003 and it still works as well. Though I did have to replace the power supply in the 2005 one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    And if Macbook's weren't so expensive (spec for spec) I might have moved to mac for that very reason, it's the only OS which can truely test across all systems legally and therefore arguably run any piece of software, Apple allowing Windows and Linux emulation was one of the smartest move they ever made.
    The price gap isn't nearly as noticeable in the US and usually comes out to a difference of less than 10% when going spec for spec. The recent price cuts on the MBP are pretty nice too. Over the 3 or so years I usually own a computer, $120 or so is a small price to pay for a more enjoyable experience on something I use all day long.

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    My current computer is more than 10 years old but when I bought it, it only needed two years to be outdated. That's what I meant. Apple computers have firewire ports as standard and it's been like that for a long time... but it can only find it in some regular PCs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgarcia View Post
    The price gap isn't nearly as noticeable in the US and usually comes out to a difference of less than 10% when going spec for spec.
    Unfortunately in the UK, Apple are like Adobe... they love to price hike and spite us English people for some strange reason, perhaps they can't work out what the exchange rates mean but we always seem to get the raw end of the deal and pay over the hill for the same thing as you guys

    Quote Originally Posted by molona View Post
    Apple computers have firewire ports as standard and it's been like that for a long time... but it can only find it in some regular PCs.
    There is a reason why regular PC's dont tend to have firewire ports, firstly because most normal people don't know what firewire is, but they know what USB means, secondly because USB 3.0 (when it comes out soon) is likely to be a heck of a lot faster than firewire (and there arent any plans I am aware of to improve on firewire). Essentially firewire within 5 years will be antiquated and the poor mans USB 3.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    There is a reason why regular PC's dont tend to have firewire ports, firstly because most normal people don't know what firewire is, but they know what USB means, secondly because USB 3.0 (when it comes out soon) is likely to be a heck of a lot faster than firewire (and there arent any plans I am aware of to improve on firewire). Essentially firewire within 5 years will be antiquated and the poor mans USB 3.0
    There's Firewire 3200 coming down and the IEEE has already approved it.

    You can argue that FW3200's 3.2Gbps is no match for USB 3.0's 4.8Gbps, but firewire tends to have less overhead in transmission so the speeds in the real world will be fairly close.

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    vgarcia, very true, but remember, with the widespread use of USB everyone has heard of it who owns a computer and they are familiar with the range of devices supported on it, currently the only thing firewire has in its favor is the speed... USB has public appeal, a huge amount of devices supported and backward compatibility with previous incarnations, once the speed hurdle has been overcome I really don't see firewire having much of a place

    It is much like VHS VS Betamax.... Betamax may have been the generally better format (quality wise) but VHS won over due to widespread adoption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    vgarcia, very true, but remember, with the widespread use of USB everyone has heard of it who owns a computer and they are familiar with the range of devices supported on it, currently the only thing firewire has in its favor is the speed... USB has public appeal, a huge amount of devices supported and backward compatibility with previous incarnations, once the speed hurdle has been overcome I really don't see firewire having much of a place
    In all honesty I don't really care what comes next. I'm not really bottlenecked by USB or Firewire even in their current incarnations (now give me gigabit+ wifi speeds and I'll be happy ).
    It is much like VHS VS Betamax.... Betamax may have been the generally better format (quality wise) but VHS won over due to widespread adoption.
    Then I guess we'll have to wait and see which side of the USB/firewire debate the porn studios are on because that's the real reason VHS won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgarcia View Post
    IThen I guess we'll have to wait and see which side of the USB/firewire debate the porn studios are on because that's the real reason VHS won.
    The pornographers gotta go with FireWire, it just sounds sexier.

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    Unless USB stands for USexyBeast (Wow we are really going off topic now!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    Unless USB stands for USexyBeast (Wow we are really going off topic now!)
    Well apparently the topic of this thread was not allowed, as logic_earth's posts were censored(deleted). so i guess it's just a free for all JK


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