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    Quote Originally Posted by ULTiMATE View Post
    ...Damn you.

    In the UK we pay around £3,500 a year for pretty shocking education. Sadly our government has pushed so many people into higher education that a degree means next to nothing here.
    It depends on the career but... 300 Euro per year for an engineering... 5 years of study though And that's a expensive one.

    Of course, I am talking of public university

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    So you that are all freelance web designers. I assume you do the graphics of the website, some may do the programming.

    When you start a freelance web design company do you do both the graphics and also programming, or do you just sell the website (graphics, HTML/CSS, Layout etc.) and the customer has to find someone else to do the database/backend programming?

    If some day I started a web design company, just as a hobby. I could do all of the programming but I would not be able to do much of the graphic work. So I'm not sure that I would be able to get any customers.

    I am good with windows programming, I could write some windows based programs and sell them but then I am left with only that technology, and if some day microsoft did go out of business, or Visual Studio stopped being produced, I would also be out of business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K358 View Post
    When you start a freelance web design company do you do both the graphics and also programming, or do you just sell the website (graphics, HTML/CSS, Layout etc.) and the customer has to find someone else to do the database/backend programming?
    If you are not very good with graphics and design then you usually employ or hire someone to do that for you, and vise versa for the programming.

    Very few people can do programming, graphics/design, CSS, and databases well. Most good companies will employ people to specialise in each area and co-ordinate their efforts together to produce a good quality website.

    There are also alot of companies that use ugly short cuts to produce terrible websites that look ok in most browsers but are full of problems in many fields of website production. Those companies are evil messy lots of trouble companys that you should't touch with a barge pole.

    What state are you in?

    Have you decided about University?

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    I live in wisconsin, there isnt much here for computer science but there is one university I found with the program. Its pretty far away for me though.

    For right now I am going to stick with the program I am in. I also like game programming, and have written a couple games myself, I just have no idea how to write the Java server programs so that multiple people can play them. I made a Bingo game, and a few card games like Gin Gummy. The web programming degree will show me how to do all of that so maybe I can start a small game website, and through in a few windows programs, and web design. I don't know but something will have to work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K358 View Post
    I live in wisconsin, there isnt much here for computer science but there is one university I found with the program. Its pretty far away for me though.

    For right now I am going to stick with the program I am in. I also like game programming, and have written a couple games myself, I just have no idea how to write the Java server programs so that multiple people can play them. I made a Bingo game, and a few card games like Gin Gummy. The web programming degree will show me how to do all of that so maybe I can start a small game website, and through in a few windows programs, and web design. I don't know but something will have to work out.
    Sounds like a good plan. I have one word of warning for you though...

    Game Development is HARD! In fact I would probably call it the hardest software industry to work in.

    Imagine having to write complicated lines of code using Mathematics and Physics Engines in several different languages every couple of years with different implementations due to changing hardware. That's Game Development 101. Writing Flash games is easier, but that industry isn't going to last forever and before we know it we may have another platform to learn.

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    Yes I know. But I am not talking about 3D video games or anything that advanced. I'm just talking about simple card games and other similar games. Mostly all Java based games that you will find at www.pogo.com.

    I made a card game already and also a Bingo game. Anything I make wont require any type of 3D modeling, or any type of game engine like that.

    Nothing that I write would be hardware dependent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K358 View Post
    Nothing that I write would be hardware dependent.
    Amazing, so I assume therefore your game will work without a monitor, ram, keyboard, mouse or router (for internet access)?

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    I think most people on forums are either freelancers or students, it doesn't really reflect reality.

    Freelance work is stressfull. But if you work as employee either directly or indirectly for corporate fortune 500 companies it's much more secured and well paid. And Job is easy, very low technical competency and low polyvalence compared to freelancers people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reboltutorial View Post
    Freelance work is stressfull. But if you work as employee either directly or indirectly for corporate fortune 500 companies it's much more secured and well paid. And Job is easy, very low technical competency and low polyvalence compared to freelancers people.
    I personally found that being a freelancer is more exciting and enthusiastic as I am in control. Working for a company was very draining, and if they provided no training resources then it's likely that they will burn you out. Then again, if the company you are working for is ethical and trains you, then you are a-okay, but mine did not provide any training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reboltutorial View Post
    I think most people on forums are either freelancers or students, it doesn't really reflect reality.
    Since when did being a freelancer not reflect reality? I am a freelancer and I certainly don't consider myself living in some sort of eutopian fairyland off the coast of fantasia. Reality is what is going on right now, and that is that many people are getting into the industry through freelancing and find success through a strong portfolio rather than a generic degree in computer science which is at the same level as the million and one other people with the same level of training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    Since when did being a freelancer not reflect reality? I am a freelancer and I certainly don't consider myself living in some sort of eutopian fairyland off the coast of fantasia. Reality is what is going on right now, and that is that many people are getting into the industry through freelancing and find success through a strong portfolio rather than a generic degree in computer science which is at the same level as the million and one other people with the same level of training.
    Sorry that's not what I meant : I meant forums don't reflect the real RATIO of working people. I've been working in several Big Companies departments, I rarely know any collegue going to forums: their task are so much routine they rarely have any technical challenge. They do a 1 day job in ten days ...

    I have a lot more of admiration for freelancers jobs indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sega View Post
    I personally found that being a freelancer is more exciting and enthusiastic as I am in control. Working for a company was very draining, and if they provided no training resources then it's likely that they will burn you out. Then again, if the company you are working for is ethical and trains you, then you are a-okay, but mine did not provide any training.
    Well, in corporate job you generally have plenty of time to work and learn at the same time since you can do a task in ten days that a freelancer would do in one as I said above

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg707 View Post
    CS will always land you a high salary job and reaching 6 figure in 5 yrs is very common.
    I have worked in IT for 30 years, I have worked as developer, and as system administrator. I have degrees in math, comp. sci., and business; and I can assure you that six figures in five years in not very common. What is more common is that people graduate from good colleges, with good degrees, and can not find any kind of worthwhile work at all.

    Don't believe me? Check out this article on my blog:

    http://techtoil.org/wiki/doku.php?id...and_commentary

    You may also want to check out this thread on the dice message board.

    http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.js...t=120&tstart=0

    Here are some excerpts from actual job postings:

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    2009-04-21
    Software Quality Analyst

    · Bachelor’s Degree or 2+ years of testing experience in a formal work environment
    · Experience testing in an Agile environment

    Compensation: $10-$15/hr D.O.E.

    http://denver.craigslist.org/sof/1133226252.html
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    2009-05-14
    IT/ Network Support Specialist

    * Bachelor's Degree and three to five years of technical support experience is preferred.
    * Handle issues with regard to VPN connectivity.
    * Create and maintain DNS host list with external provider.
    * Create and maintain Active Directory-integrated domain naming service - hosts, aliases, mail exchangers.
    * VPN: create and maintain “hosts” file for using servers on private LAN via VPN (self-extracting).
    * Creating and maintaining FTP service for use with customers and employees.
    * Creating and maintaining SMTP service to allow various apps/services to send outgoing emails from private/public servers.
    * Setting up NAS shared folders & integrating with Active Directory for Denver users.
    * Creating VM images for different versions of WFC
    * Setting up & maintain SharePoint sites.

    Compensation: $15 - 20/ hr as PT Temp to Hire, salary negotiable if hired as FTE

    http://denver.craigslist.org/tch/1171290285.html
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    2009-03-26
    InformationTechnology Generalist/Graphic Design
    * Candidate must have a bachelor's degree or equivalent experience in the IT field.
    * This position will be responsible for computer equipment, hardware and software
    * The ideal candidate will also be experienced in Graphic Design.
    Compensation: This position starts at 30k with full benefits after 6 months on the job.

    http://denver.craigslist.org/tch/1093137024.html
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    2009-03-11
    Web developer PHP/MySQL - Joomla needed
    * Degree preferred but not required.
    * experience with PHP, MySQL, HTML and the JOOMLA CMS.
    Compensation: $10-$20 hour DOE

    http://cosprings.craigslist.org/web/1070883804.html
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    2009-04-02
    Data Center Quoting Specialist / Sales Support
    * Knowledge of data center system Hardware and Software configurations and services.
    * Knowledge of Unix, Sun OS, Solaris, AIX, Linux operating environments
    * Background using large database applications (ORACLE, SAP, SIEBEL) to support the sales force

    MINIMUM LEVEL OF EDUCATION:
    University degree in Computer Science or other related field or equivalent combination of training and experience.

    Compensation: $15.50+ per hour to start

    http://denver.craigslist.org/tch/1104250347.html
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    2009-04-02
    Technical Support Engineer
    * Must have experience working in a telecommunications environment
    * Must be able to develop SQL statements
    * Profinciency with Networking/IP topologies (must be able to understand the different components within a network and how to troubleshoot them)
    *Profinciency with XP, 2003, Active Directory, and Domain Configuration
    * Must have some sort of network certification AND a 4 year degree.
    Compensation: $18-$20/hr

    http://denver.craigslist.org/tch/1103581260.html
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    2009-04-07
    Help Desk Tech/Trainer Wanted
    * B.A. or B.S. degree is preferred.
    * Certification/familiarity with Intel servers and PC's
    * Experience conducting training (group and 1-on-1). You must be able to demonstrate that you have conducted training on a formal level. Please do not apply if you have not prepared and conducted group classes on software/hardware use.
    * Experience with PC repair/troubleshooting and Windows server systems administration.
    Compensation: 30-40K, depending on experience.

    http://denver.craigslist.org/tch/1112061843.html
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    2009-04-10
    Part-time Temporary Web Content Manager
    * Bachelor’s degree in a Communications or Web design discipline is preferred, but may be substituted with other relevant course of study and experience.
    * Requires at least 2 years experience organizing and creating Web content and applying principles of Web navigation and functionality.
    * Demonstrated proficiency in Web and graphic design tools and technologies such as applications in the Adobe Creative Suite is required.
    Compensation: $16.00 + per hour DOE

    http://denver.craigslist.org/web/1116232530.html
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