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    search engine placement shifts

    Please advise if the following is unique:

    When I first posted our site, it showed up well on the search engines, anywhere from top 5 to 25 listings.

    I'm noticing lately, it's not coming up with our keywords. Yet, I notice sites that have lain dormant for quite some time retain their places on the engines.

    Is this due to my being a little lax with updates, or is something else going on?

    Any and all suggestions and thoughts appreciated!

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    Some search engines will boost your sites rank the longer you are in the index. Maybe 'boost' is the wrong word. There is more preference to those pages. I've noticed that the more I change pages, the lower my ranking goes.

    Though, I do re-optimize my pages from time to time. every month or two and that seems to be great with the search engines.

    Specifically what engines are you referring to? Some engines like Google will rank their pages on a number of different criteria, whereas another like Altavista will just throw out random results with no apparent reason to why those pages should be in the search results.

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    strangely enough, I was in great shape on google, yahoo, and aol, among others.

    Now, not only do my keywords result in zip, my actual url is coming up (in yahoo and google, for example):

    Sorry no results were found matching: phoenixstarga.com


    How can there be NO results, when I know the site AND the url exist? What is their "perception" of the existence of a site?!!

    Interestingly, I do get a direct response for the url on msn.com, hotbot, cnet, and alta vista.

    I was under the impression that frequent updating is good . . . reinforces the idea that the site is well-cared for and not neglected . . . giving something fresh to visitors on a regular basis. Now, I don't have a lot of links, but I have a few, and am currently working on my collection of links outside the site. Might that have an effect when I finally get it included?

    Also, I'm currently linked to, from a couple relevant sites, accessatlanta.com, and a local airport. I just discovered I'm also on the site of another transportation site (we're a taxi/limo company, providing exclusive service to part of our area.)

    Any and all comments and thoughts greatly appreciated!

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    Could be several things going on, each search engine /directory is a little different . If you post your URL, you may get more precise help .

    In Google for instance a search for the URL itself will sometimes show no results, where as a search for your site html name, will show a result.

    If your URL is only showing up as a site description on google, in a search for related keywords, it can mean your site has a low Pagerank (need to increase relevant links from important sites and directories), or your site was down or inaccessable in the last crawl (may)and is listed only by the fact that googlebot found important links pointing to your site.

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    The google toolbar is showing grey for your site which usually means one of two scenarios,
    1, Your site has been banned from google OR
    2, It is a new site that has not been listed yet
    A google ban could be due to duplicate sites, linking to/from dodgy neighbourhoods or being involved with link farms.
    Do you have access to your logs to see if googlebot spidered you recently.
    Maybe it would be worth mailing google if you are not in the next index.

    BTW - I could be wrong as the toolbar does not always show the correct info, can anyone verify a grey toolbar?
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    You will never get banned because of someone linking to your site, as you have absolutely no control over that.

    The toolbar has a bug where it will show no pagerank for any .info domain, however thats not the case here.

    The toolbar can also show no pagerank sometimes if you have Google's safe search turned on, don't know why but it happens.

    The page in question is not loading for me... it hasn't timed out yet but neither is it opening. If you were in google before and now are not I'm guessing its a server response issue. Get a better host. If the spiders cannot visit your site because it is down/slow you won't get in the search engines.
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    The longer a page is listed in an engine, the higher ranked it will be. Most SE's in my experience favor the older sites to the newer ones. Although this is a mistake many times, its just the way things work.

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    Thats a myth archbob. Don't perpetuate it.
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    Yeah, I know it may just be a myth, but looking at results from various SE's, it does seem they favor pages that have been in the index longer.

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    Sure, older pages tend to rank higher.

    But is this because they are older? Or is it because older pages tend to have more incoming links?

    Children from houses with more appliances tend to be smarter, but that doesn't mean that appliances make people smart.
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    "The longer a page is listed in an engine, the higher ranked it will be..."

    I think that is mainly because long existing sites and pages tend to have more incoming links. Informational sites also I think tend to get more inbound links than do business/ecommerce sites.

    We have one site that is pretty much all just informational that has been up since 1998, and it has a higher PR than any of our other sites - it also has about 2000 inbound links compared to a few hundred for the others.


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