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    The future of web development?

    Platform. Yes those ready to use CMS softwares that simplify the building a website. Examples include Joomla, WordPress, Drupal and a thousand other (even companies making their own).

    Platforms can reduce a lot of a developers time on a project, allowing them to do other stuffs like marketing, referencing, working on the content...

    I understand why using CMS is so much in demand, well codes are already written and mostly it allow clients to update their own content without any HTML knowledge. And once a platform is learned it can make the upkeep of a Website easy for anyone comfortable with a computer.

    But am wondering, could it make the job of web designer or a web developer redundant?

    Would it be better then to choose one or more CMS and specialized in using them instead of learning hardcore coding?

    Just some thoughts this morning.

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    and mostly it allow clients to update their own content without any HTML knowledge.
    But am wondering, could it make the job of web designer or a web developer redundant?
    I dunno, what do you call people who make CMSs?

    I wouldn't say the job is redundant. I guess it depends on what the client wants.

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    There will always be designers, and there will always be coders, and there will always be sites that don't need a CMS. Don't worry about it

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    A bit of both really.

    We have clients, who even though their sites are on CMS systems, do not feel confident in updating their sites after a reasonable amount of training & assistance. As a result, we usually get them to send through the changes. Of course, it's cheaper for them because it's quicker for us to update the CMS rather than a number of HTML files (for example, adding on an extra page).

    We do specialise in a CMS, a couple of CMS's in fact, usually with slightly different goals. It'd be stupid for us not to when more and more clients are coming to us asking for blogs or "things they want to change themselves". The better we are, the quicker we can do the work, the cheaper it'll be.

    However.

    You can't ignore good coding. Wordpress - in all it's wonderous glory - can only do so much, and there are times where I've had to use some PHP hack, usually with a plugin or two, to get Wordpress to do what I want it to do. Furthermore to produce quality validating code, readable by as many people as possible, is a skill that I believe will not die out, and unfortunately a lot of standard/generated templates don't have it.

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    If you load up Drupal, WP or Joomla and slap on a default theme to deliver a site your client, then yes, I suppose you could consider your job done but that won't keep your clients happy. They want unique, custom sites that reflrect their brand and identity and in order to cusomize these platforms you need to know the system intimately... And you need to know how to code to do that.

    I have been concentrating on Drupal for the last couple of years and am just now getting to the point where I believe one day I will be a Ninja Drupal Developer... One day
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    If you've been involved in web development for any period of time you should know that there is a lot more to building websites than what can be provided by open source cms systems.

    The company I currently work for sells in Episerver with almost all our sites.....we bolt it on after the initial front/back end build.

    There is no way a cms system (no matter how complex) can replace a development team

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    Yep.. I never never think that CMS can replace as only professionals can replace professionals.. CMS is only the base but you can't make professional website using that CMS. you need to customize it and for that you need web developer

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    Noooo. Every CMS requires templates. Every CMS gets updated, so coders need to make new modules/plugins/addons. People will always want something unique, rather than use off the shelf designs.

    I actually think that with CMS' the role of the designer is improving, as people can focus on design, knowing that the structure is pretty much already there.

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    Ya you are write but These CMS thing helps a lot but they are taking you away from programming side

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethicalexorcist1 View Post
    Ya you are write but These CMS thing helps a lot but they are taking you away from programming side
    Not necessarily... Certainly if you want to push the boundaries of what the CMS can do, you have to know code. As a matter of fact, I would suggest that some of these systems are more than that. They are Content Management Platforms with their own set of classes and functions.

    You can still connect to the database, run a query and send the results to an array for further processing in a few lines of PHP but if you know the way the system works, it can be done in one clean concise line of code within a module or templating file.

    The net result is that those developers who are motivated and learn the intricacies of these systems will be in demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocolatFrog View Post
    Platform. Yes those ready to use CMS softwares that simplify the building a website. Examples include Joomla, WordPress, Drupal and a thousand other (even companies making their own).

    Platforms can reduce a lot of a developers time on a project, allowing them to do other stuffs like marketing, referencing, working on the content...

    I understand why using CMS is so much in demand, well codes are already written and mostly it allow clients to update their own content without any HTML knowledge. And once a platform is learned it can make the upkeep of a Website easy for anyone comfortable with a computer.

    But am wondering, could it make the job of web designer or a web developer redundant?

    Would it be better then to choose one or more CMS and specialized in using them instead of learning hardcore coding?

    Just some thoughts this morning.
    Your right to a point. People will always need customizable designs and coding. Many people are taking drastic shortcuts which are affecting the web industry with many clone-looking websites, but then again, the clients these people are going for are not quality clients. I suppose they get what they deserve.

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    CMSs will never take over. The internet would be a dreadfully boring place if they did.

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    Never use CMS, some friends use CMS to do site, but not very well
    Where i can download free CMS?

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    Just to manage and customize most CMS's to the specifications of many businesses needs you need a coder. And to stay on cutting edge businesses will never stick with one technology forever (eventually Wordpress, Drupal, and Joomla will be replaced or evolve to newer different systems)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikykuang View Post
    Never use CMS, some friends use CMS to do site, but not very well
    Where i can download free CMS?
    See that's my point... You can't just download a free CMS, install it and walk away. It has to be designed, configured and fine tuned for the job.

    When we build a CMS based site, we mock it up in html/css first as a few static pages. Then once we're happy with the way that views, we create a theme (Drupal talk) and start configuring the CMS to do what we want it to do.
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    Even some of the commercial CMS's don't compare to the free ones. The free content management systems work on a open source principle, meaning that anybody can contribute to the code. This way of working has made some of the open source CMS's beat hands down any commercial CMS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skunkbad View Post
    CMSs will never take over. The internet would be a dreadfully boring place if they did.
    I don't disagree with you, but you might have to point this out for me a little. How else would the client change his/her content, and why would this made it a boring place.

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    I'm not convinced that CMS's actually reduce the total amount of work required to be completed by web developers. Many sites which would previously have only been static sites are moving to a freebie CMS format since the price differential isn't as great as it would be if everything had to be custom built.

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    Still much prefer bolting on a CMS(EE,WP,MoDx,Concrete5,sNews,Drupal) rather than static flat HTML pages.

    Have recently done 2 static HTML sites, with roughly 40 pages, some includes(Header/Nav/Footer), but still a nightmare to update when the client suddenly has a change of mind

    It'll be some time before it makes the web dev's job redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invision2 View Post
    Still much prefer bolting on a CMS(EE,WP,MoDx,Concrete5,sNews,Drupal) rather than static flat HTML pages.

    Have recently done 2 static HTML sites, with roughly 40 pages, some includes(Header/Nav/Footer), but still a nightmare to update when the client suddenly has a change of mind

    It'll be some time before it makes the web dev's job redundant.
    I second that. Having a series of static pages only increases the variables in a website, and therefore increases that chances that you are going to miss something, which will ultimately mean that you increase the chances of the client saying "you missed something". This looks bad on you and your company. Static pages should be a thing of the past, if a website has more than 10 pages it should be a CMS, this is what I think anyways.

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    Not sure why you need to have a "CMS" just to have repeating headers and footers.

    Aren't those called "includes"? That's something completely different than a whole setup like Drupal.

    if a website has more than 10 pages it should be a CMS, this is what I think anyways.
    Bah. It completely depends on what the client wants. If he's not updating the site, everything from me is static. Because I'm NOT going to waste my time fighting some retard template who generates crap overdone bloated HTML and CSS when I can in half the time write exactly what I want, and know it will be valid and well-written.

    I've fought templates, and haven't seen a single one that wasn't bloated. But of course, they MUST be bloated with redundant code in order to perform their purpose-- letting Joe update his blog. Since you never know what client X wants for customisation, you have to build ALL of it for him, and then let him pick. I hate empty divs, extra nesting, and endless CSS for elements who don't even exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanhellyer View Post
    I'm not convinced that CMS's actually reduce the total amount of work required to be completed by web developers.
    I agree. Some of the open source CMS’s solutions out there are fantastic, but you still need a developer to make a professional looking and functioning website.

    In my experience, most clients say the want to update their own sites, but in the end, they rarely actually do. The upside is that the expectation of easy content management is often what closes the deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanhellyer View Post
    I'm not convinced that CMS's actually reduce the total amount of work required to be completed by web developers.
    I entirely agree, no matter whether you use a CMS or you provide the content yourself, the developer still has to maintain that code, produce an elegant design for it and try to keep it from looking like yet another clone. The problem with CMS's I think is it encourages people to act lasy and think that now there is a script to handle all of their code they do not need to do anything for themselves. CMS systems are meant to be invisible to the end user (as in people aren't meant to see them as the primary feature), they are behind the scenes actions for collaborating content and should not replace the effort and code that goes in at the front end (or back end) to give functionality or a unique and elegant design.

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    You see today when we have such a tool called CMS with us,so every body is looking forward to make his/her own site with these CMS.Off course you need a good developers and designers to make changes and make it more user friendly according to your requirement.

    But still my vote is for CMS

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocolatFrog View Post
    Platform. Yes those ready to use CMS softwares that simplify the building a website. Examples include Joomla, WordPress, Drupal and a thousand other (even companies making their own).

    Platforms can reduce a lot of a developers time on a project, allowing them to do other stuffs like marketing, referencing, working on the content...

    I understand why using CMS is so much in demand, well codes are already written and mostly it allow clients to update their own content without any HTML knowledge. And once a platform is learned it can make the upkeep of a Website easy for anyone comfortable with a computer.

    But am wondering, could it make the job of web designer or a web developer redundant?

    Would it be better then to choose one or more CMS and specialized in using them instead of learning hardcore coding?

    Just some thoughts this morning.
    Websites needs to change their look and feel at least once every 3 years. Why? - to stay fresh and appealing, plus it helps you keep one step ahead of your rivals. So in answer to your questions, no the web designer or a web developer job will never become redundant.


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