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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Morris View Post
    You're deluded if you can say the words "Free on a Windows machine" with a straight face. Last I checked the server edition of Windows was north of $1000. Nothing comes 'free' with that purchase tag.

    Not every problem is a nail - true. Not every solution is a hammer - true. Microsoft doesn't make solutions - they make more problems for everyone. They might sell hammers, but their hammers only work with their nails which in turn can only be driven into their boards.
    Why exactly would you need the Server edition of Windows to host a Web App?

    And I don't know about you, but having worked alot with ASP.NET I can say that it does solve a tonne of web-application problems... some better and some worst than PHP.

    ASP.NET definintely has it's place and has value... it's all about personal preference.

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    Because IIS will handle less than 10 connections at a time with a non-server edition.

    ASP.NET *does* give you access to the entire library of .NET code, which can be written in numerous languages. However, by the end of the day, it's really personal preference. There are plenty of things to hate in PHP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormrider View Post
    Facebook, Yahoo, BBC, Flickr, Digg all use PHP.
    OK. It seems clear from what everybody has said, that PHP is really the way to go, over ASP.
    If PHP is used in all of the sites listed in Stormrider's previous post, what database would be adopted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.Danials View Post
    OK. It seems clear from what everybody has said, that PHP is really the way to go, over ASP.
    If PHP is used in all of the sites listed in Stormrider's previous post, what database would be adopted?
    MySQL is the most prevalent DB with PHP but it's future is somewhat uncertain after Oracle took over Sun.

    A lot of peeps rave about PostgreSQL. But MySQL has always been good enough for me.

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    What database would say Facebook, Yahoo, BBC, Flickr, Digg, and Wikipedia favor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.Danials View Post
    What database would say Facebook, Yahoo, BBC, Flickr, Digg, and Wikipedia favor?
    i'm guessing Oracle.

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    "Yahoo is a cheap company. (We) can't afford to waste engineering resources (on proprietary coding)," Radwin said, adding that the company first moved to embrace open-source technology back in 1996 when it replaced the Filo server with Apache. Since then, the company has moved some of its database management from Oracle to the open-source MySQL. "

    http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news...le.php/1491221

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam.jimenez View Post
    "Yahoo is a cheap company. (We) can't afford to waste engineering resources (on proprietary coding)," Radwin said, adding that the company first moved to embrace open-source technology back in 1996 when it replaced the Filo server with Apache. Since then, the company has moved some of its database management from Oracle to the open-source MySQL. "

    http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news...le.php/1491221
    So ASP, Python, C/C++ etc are not any better than PHP then?
    ...and Oracle, MSSQL etc is not better than MySQL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.Danials View Post
    So ASP, Python, C/C++ etc are not any better than PHP then?
    ...and Oracle, MSSQL etc is not better than MySQL?
    C and Oracle are bound to be more efficient than PHP/ MySQL.

    But the point is that PHP/MySQL is good enough and scalable enough. And the benefit is ease of use albeit with a performance trade-off.

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    ASP.NET and Python are good in their own way, and it's up to your preference on which one you want to use. C/C++ is no comparison, because you will be pulling out your hair if you build an entire website in C/C++, and you may even inadvertently create buffer overflows in a website.

    MySQL has very few features compared to Oracle and MSSQL. Some of those features could be important to you.

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    From my experience i can tell you this. If you looking for low cost stable solution go with LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP)

    I did couple of Java to LAMP, ASP .NET to LAMP site transitions, you want believe performance are amazing. All those site has more than 1 millions hits per day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lphy View Post
    From my experience i can tell you this. If you looking for low cost stable solution go with LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP)

    I did couple of Java to LAMP, ASP .NET to LAMP site transitions, you want believe performance are amazing. All those site has more than 1 millions hits per day.
    How come you switched?
    I would have thought that Java (maybe ASP/.net also) may be more powerful etc compare to LAMP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.Danials View Post
    How come you switched?
    I would have thought that Java (maybe ASP/.net also) may be more powerful etc compare to LAMP.
    surely any option is powerful enough if u put enough hardware behind it.

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    Trust me i have years of experience on both .Net and Open source (LAMP) programming.

    Consider this case, you have a high traffic web site (you get at least 50,000 database queries running every second). You can develop and fine tune ASP .Net to handle the load without any problem, but the problem you will run into is you need to have load balanced web farm cluster which is expensive than hosting on a LAMP cluster (meaning you need more servers to run the cluster in .Net/Java than LAMP)

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    I thought the BBC site used CGI-PERL, or was that IMDB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam.jimenez View Post
    surely any option is powerful enough if u put enough hardware behind it.
    True. But then why would developers be so conscious in code efficiency, if you can just update the hardware?

    Quote Originally Posted by lphy View Post
    Trust me i have years of experience on both .Net and Open source (LAMP) programming.

    Consider this case, you have a high traffic web site (you get at least 50,000 database queries running every second). You can develop and fine tune ASP .Net to handle the load without any problem, but the problem you will run into is you need to have load balanced web farm cluster which is expensive than hosting on a LAMP cluster (meaning you need more servers to run the cluster in .Net/Java than LAMP)
    How come this does not apply to LAMP?

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    Here is the response header from BBC website
    Code:
    Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:57:17 GMT
    Server: Apache
    Accept-Ranges: bytes
    Cache-Control: max-age=0
    Expires: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:57:17 GMT
    Keep-Alive: timeout=5, max=143
    Connection: Keep-Alive
    Transfer-Encoding: chunked
    Content-Type: text/html
    
    200 OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.Danials View Post
    So why does this not apply to LAMP?
    LAMP uses very less resources compared to .Net, if you do your research you will see

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.Danials View Post
    True. But then why would developers be so conscious in code efficiency, if you can just update the hardware?
    Well think how much its going to cost.

    More Hardware = More electricity + More Maintenance ... etc

    There is a reson why Google select Linux for their cluster (World largest linux cluster)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_platform

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    Facebook use mysql, not sure if they do entirely, but they do use it. Wikipedia is based on mediawiki which is entirely mysql, yahoo use some mysql.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormrider View Post
    Facebook use mysql, not sure if they do entirely, but they do use it. Wikipedia is based on mediawiki which is entirely mysql, yahoo use some mysql.
    How can you tell?
    I didn't think the server gave out that sort of information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.Danials View Post
    How can you tell?
    I didn't think the server gave out that sort of information?
    the server doesn't but this sort of information often comes out in blogs/ tech journals etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.Danials View Post
    How can you tell?
    http://www.mysql.com/customers/

    Facebook uses MySQL.


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