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    undoubtedly Dreamweaver. Although many people who are freshers or are looking for shortcuts go for FrontPage.

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    When I saw the title of this thread it brought back memories from 1999 Front Page was the first editor I used (a decade ago). For years now I am using Dreamweaver. I only use the code view, and I tried a few times to switch to a better IDE but for some reason I am still with Dreamweaver.

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    not to bust up the party... but why do you want a database?

    are you just trying to learn to code? or do you have a specific project in mind.

    I use http://SoldWith.com which gives me a client database, shopping cart, forum, mass mail and basically everything I need to run most commerce, affiliate or blog type sites.

    It installs in a few minutes and is completely hosted.

    You can use as much or as little code as you want since the framework gives you a good head start, but the CMS allows you to get into the page level code easily.

    If you want to learn to code that's one thing, but if you want to get a project off the ground quickly a full featured CMS / CRM is the way to go.

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    When you ask questions like that. I think, front page is will fit you.

    If you ask the question is should learn to use software, I think you should learn to use dreamweaver

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    For a beginner, I suggest neither. Download some open source templates and play about with them in PSPad (free text editor with html,php,css highlighters etc).

    Rather than learn "design" learn to install some different CMS' (Wordpress and Drupal are my favourites, both open source) and learn to modify themes. Both have many free (open source) themes that you can play with. And once learnt, you can built fully functioning and good looking websites with ease. Learn just html/css and you will soon find that you are unable to provide clients with their website specifications anyway.
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    Frontpage is easier to update although you will not get the full benefits of flashy content. Depends what you want to do

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    How about wordoress or joomla? very easy to setup

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    FrontPage was declared dead in 2007 so no one should be using it any more. Microsoft killied it because it would have cost them too much to rewrite it to creeate pages that will work in browsers other that IE6. Instead Microsoft created a new program 'Expression Web' that is actually capable of creating standard compliant web pages - something that is almost impossible to do with FrontPage.
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    hello, it's better to use Joomla because it's user friendly software. It's Proven!
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    Quote Originally Posted by certificationmix View Post
    hello, it's better to use Joomla because it's user friendly software. It's Proven!
    User friendly yes. Developer friendly, not so much. None of the major CMS packages I've seen can make that claim. Part of the reason for this is the easier things are for the user the more difficult things become for the developer.

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    I find Frontpage lighter and less complicated than Dreamweaver. So mostly I opt for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post
    I find Frontpage lighter and less complicated than Dreamweaver. So mostly I opt for it.
    Why use a long dead editor that produces web pages for IE6 only when there are so many around that can create standard compliant web pages that will work in modern browsers? If you want to stick with Microsoft then upgrade to "Expression Web". Microsoft killed FrontPage back in 2007.
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    just for the sake of it...
    frontpage was "abandoned" by microsoft publicly, but what actually happened was they rebranded it as sharepoint designer.

    incase your wondering, yes its every bit as bad as you remember it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by certificationmix View Post
    hello, it's better to use Joomla because it's user friendly software. It's Proven!
    Takes a bit of a learning curve doesn't it though?

    And how is it proven? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by whyulil View Post
    just for the sake of it...
    frontpage was "abandoned" by microsoft publicly, but what actually happened was they rebranded it as sharepoint designer.

    incase your wondering, yes its every bit as bad as you remember it.
    Wow, that's good to know. Someone was plugging ShatrePoint over Dreamweaver in another thread recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadia P View Post
    Takes a bit of a learning curve doesn't it though?

    And how is it proven? :-)
    I've heard SO many complaints about Joomla. It's obviously very popular, but I recall a recent thread where people tore Joomla to pieces. I felt sorry for the Joomla rep who was fielding their questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whyulil View Post
    just for the sake of it...
    frontpage was "abandoned" by microsoft publicly, but what actually happened was they rebranded it as sharepoint designer.

    incase your wondering, yes its every bit as bad as you remember it.
    Regardless of what it is called it is still only capable of producing pages that will display in IE6. It is incapable of producing modern web pages. That's why Microsoft created Expression Web.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whyulil View Post
    just for the sake of it...
    frontpage was "abandoned" by microsoft publicly, but what actually happened was they rebranded it as sharepoint designer.
    That is incorrect. The entire codebase of Frontpage was dumped. Sharepoint Designer is a sibling of Expression Web, from the codebase, UI, and the rendering engine are all shared between the two.

    [Sharepoint Designer's] main difference from the general web design application, Expression Web is that it does not include non-SharePoint site templates. It only includes local website templates for SharePoint. It retains more FrontPage features than Expression Web such as web components, database, marquee, hit counter, navigation bars, insert maps etc.
    It retains more Frontpage extensions, but it is not Frontpage rebranded.
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    As you mentioned about database, then I would recommend Wordpress. It's damn easy and user-friendly too.

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    Last year I had the awful task of trying to update a website which had been created using front page, I hadn't got a clue what the coding was going on about. So in the end redesigned most of it.

    Dreamweaver is definitely the correct choice, if you have front page use it as a beer mat

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    I use Dreamweaver. It's easier (once you get used to it) and it has for more helpful features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logic_earth View Post
    That is incorrect. The entire codebase of Frontpage was dumped.
    That's good to hear. Presumably SharePoint is a good alternative to the more basic editors for those who need one with Microsoft branding (which for many companies is a requirement) and who don't want the expense of Expression Web (and also for those who have sites that have been around for a while and which are dependent on FrontPage extensions).
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    I prefer to use MS FrontPage
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    Programming Since 1978 silver trophybronze trophy felgall's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logicb0x View Post
    I prefer to use MS FrontPage
    Why do people post without reading the thread first?

    FrontPage is DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD and has been since 2007. Someone new to web page creation would need to have as much brains as a Zombie to consider using such a long dead editor that was killed off because it is incapable of creating web pages that work in modern browsers and would have cost too much to fix.

    The only people who should still be even considering continuing to use FrontPage are those with an intranet that still runs exclusively on IE6.

    Suggesting that someone new to creating web pages consider using FrontPage is the equivalent of suggesting that the new car they want is made of wood and has two poles sticking out the front between which to tie a horse and where the wheels are broken and can't be repaired or replaced.

    If someone wants to use a Microsoft web editor then Expression Web and Sharepoint Designer are the two options available.
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    Doing a little more digging, Sharepoint Designer appears to be the sibling of Expression Web version 1. I'm not sure what changes were made in version 2 of Expression Web but the more you know...
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